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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,238 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    I’m afraid you are the last person on this thread who should be asking others to “take a break”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,943 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    ………………………

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Israel, by their actions, has provided the World with a much sharper definition of scum. The old definition was not bad (undesireable element) but real life examples from Israel has improved it.

    "Scum" has two primary definitions: a literal one for an unpleasant layer that forms on the surface of a liquid or molten metal, and an informal, figurative one for worthless or despicable people. Both uses refer to a surface-level, undesirable element, whether a physical substance or a group of people considered vile. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    May still happen

    Eurovision Song Contest organisers this month scrapped a planned November meeting to vote on Israel's participation, and are now due to look at it in December.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,646 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Not "others" BB - just you. And I didn't ask, just suggested that you do given your negative posts about this thread and its contents.

    I'll continue as I have - posting information and reports from mainstream news organisations to inform "the others" who appear to appreciate the content as it relates to the thread title.

    Do feel free to challenge any reports I post that you think are "propaganda" or "not credible" and I'll corroborate them. But I won't stop posting because you don't like the message or the messenger. And I did pay the subscription fee so would like to get value.

    By the way, my post tally is less than a quarter of yours.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,403 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Do you just mean that people are posting escalating atrocities and saying they hate each atrocity more?

    Please realise that the vast majority of people here don't hate Israel. they believe that Israelis should be allowed live safely and without fear. They just want the same for Palestinians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,238 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Thats what we all want Mr G, you are perfectly right there.

    However some of the rhetoric and output displayed on this thread by a certain coterie would give lie to the conclusion that they don't "hate Israel".

    Thats the way I see it MrG….rightly or wrongly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,646 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    This seems to be the topic du jour at the moment so the latest news is prescient.

    The US is curtailing any public criticism of Israel and stifle free speech by arresting some of those who do so.

    I wonder if they'll also round up the Jewish scholars, academics and religious leaders for openly criticising Israel?

    Ironic that Loomer has called herself a “white advocate” and a “proud Islamophobe”. I wonder if any here support her?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,646 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Pretty biased BB in my opinion. There's also a certain coterie who appear to support Genocide and War Crimes and can't bring themselves to condemn it. Yet demand that everyone condemns Hamas (which they do).

    There will always be "sides" and polar opposite views on events. But I find it hard to understand how that is possible when talking about the ongoing extermination of an ethnic group. One can condemn the acts of a nation without condemning the nation itself.

    So I'll go with you seeing it as "wrongly".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,379 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    Burying children alive with their hands zip-tied behind their banks and shooting unarmed children on the West Bank. All in the last few days. Plus the fact they're still killing during a supposed ceasefire...

    However much we try to one-up each other on how much we hate Israel, it isn't enough.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,646 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Israel just can't help itself being an aggressor - grenades and tank fire at UNIFIL troops (Irish Peacekeepers unharmed)


    "The United Nations peacekeeping mission in Lebanon has said Israeli forces fired at peacekeepers and dropped a grenade in their vicinity in southern Lebanon yesterday."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭wildgreen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,646 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I found this piece very interesting. Mohan makes a good point about the humanitarian agencies apparently ignoring atrocities by Hamas.


    "Following the cease-fire between Israel and Hamas, and the Israeli military's withdrawal from roughly half of the Gaza Strip, Hamas reasserted control over most of the territory.

    Since then, numerous corroborated testimonies – some supported by filmed evidence – have emerged of executions of political opponents, particularly brutal torture of civilians in the street in broad daylight and killings or beatings of civilians who merely expressed gratitude toward the U.S. or criticized Hamas.

    Needless to say, all of this took place without any due process. Given these facts, I was astonished to look at the X accounts of two of the world's largest human rights organizations, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, and find that, at the time of writing, there has been not a single reference to these atrocities…

    I can understand considerations about the need to maintain legitimacy with one's constituency, but human rights work is not a popularity contest and must never become one"

    Yariv Mohar



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,646 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    More on the anal rape of a prisoner in Sde Teiman. Justice must be served.


    Israel Police summoned far-right lawmaker Tzvi Succot for questioning over his involvement in storming into the Sde Teiman military facility in 2024 to protest the detention of soldiers suspected of abusing a Palestinian prisoner.

    Succot, a member of far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich's Religious Zionism party, said he intends to show up, after previously refusing to do so when asked by the police.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,646 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Good news for the Hostage Families - hopefully the IDF will allow the bodies to be recovered.


    Hamas informed mediating countries that it began recovering between seven and nine bodies of deceased Israeli hostages, the Saudi Asharq TV channel reported.

    According to a source familiar with the matter, the group has confirmed the locations of the bodies, adding that Hamas has requested that the IDF withdraw from certain areas on the Israeli-controlled side of the Yellow Line in order to complete the searches.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 353 ✭✭Kiteview


    The evidence would contradict that. This thread is at circa 55K posts. The number of posts about each of the far bloodier wars in Yemen and Sudan can be counted on your fingers. Hence, there is a clear double standard at play.


    Ask yourself the obvious question - would there have been such a widespread and continuous outpouring of abuse here about a conflict involving the US and/or the U.K.? And would anyone be calling it “genocide”? (And before you answer, let me mention that the average annual civilian death tolls in the post 9/11 wars that both countries were involved in is higher than that for the Gaza war)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,646 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Well, the thread title kind of gives the game away. I'd imagine posting about Yemen/Sudan would be curtailed fairly quickly.

    And your "continuous outpouring of abuse" is exaggerated. Yes - strong condemnation because that's what Genocide requires. But "abuse"? No, not in my opinion.

    But perhaps people are reacting to the likes of Smotrich, Ben-Gvir, Herzog and Netanyahu and the rest who are well able and well known for hurling abuse at individuals and countries - including Ireland.

    And not only hurling abuse - IDF have been lobbing grenades and tank fire at UNIFIL troops lately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,646 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    This is a good news story and after the horrors they've been through, I hope they fully recover. Well done Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,448 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    The number of posts about each of the far bloodier wars in Yemen and Sudan can be counted on your fingers.

    That's the way threads go, if there's no one defending one side there's no discussion, and the thread disappears off the front page and down the forum



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,943 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    There is indeed a double standard, in that Russia, Sudan and Yemen are subject to sanctions while Israel is not.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,150 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Here is some very not-shocking news:

    A former United States colonel who worked on a team that compiled a report on the Israeli military’s killing of Al Jazeera journalist and US citizen Shireen Abu Akleh has accused the administration of former US President Joe Biden of softening its findings in favour of Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,689 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Now this has to be more lies. Israel would never do that and has no history of doing that …………… have they ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,689 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    This Nikki Haley ?-

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/28/nikki-haley-finish-them-missile-israel



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,689 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    And you never get much chat about Badminton on the GAA threads. Awful stuff altogether and it's hard to understand how it happens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,132 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123942211#Comment_123942211

    Ask yourself the obvious questions, do Yemen and Sudan enjoy favoured nation trading status with the EU?

    Can Yemenis and Sudanese travel to the EU without a visa?

    Do Yemeni and Sudanese teams play in European leagues or sing in European song contests?

    Have Yemen or Sudan killed Irish peacekeepers or used Irish passports to commit murders?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,403 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I'd suggest you go back and look for the threads on the iraq/afghan wars. They were massive. And the largest ever demonstration in Irish history (at that point) happened in Dublin. I marched that day.

    So yeah, there was massive outpouring at that stage.

    There's also massive threads on the Russian invasion.

    personally I hate whatabouttism. There's horrific things happening everywhere. Just because people focus on one and not the others doesn't mean there's any bias. Putin kept saying that the anti russian sentiment was because people hated russia. It had nothing to do with the invasion, no. It was just people hating on Russia. And why weren't people complaining about Myanmar?

    Despots always claim that people hate them, not because of their actions, but because of an irrational hatred of their people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Last time I checked, people are not spending their spare time defending mass murder or in unison denying ethnic cleansing/ genocide claims in Sudan or Yemen, but in this case they are. They aren't smearing people who quite rightly post against the killing of civilians, but look in this thread - my God. They aren't making up nonsense about the Roman empire to justify it, or telling us why starving every man woman and child in a place is fair game. Clear double standards alright.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Another excuse for Israel to exact some terrible retribution, another excuse for them to commit an atrocity in retaliation for Israel making corpses unidentifiable. It would make better use of the Settlers if they were sent in to search the rubble with their bare hands.

    The Israeli Broadcasting Authority says the remains that were handed over to Israel overnight were not those of a new Israeli captive. In fact, there are suspicions that they belong to an Israeli captive whose [partial remains] have already been handed over and buried by the family.

    The identity has not been revealed but we already know that the Israeli prime minister will hold emergency security consultations to respond to the developments as per this report.

    Now let’s just remind ourselves of why this is so complicated and why we are talking about the gruesome details of remains of remains.

    The recovery of these bodies is an extremely gruesome and gruelling task – there are tonnes and tonnes of piles of rubble in Gaza. The groups that were holding these Israeli captives may also have been killed in Israeli bombardment along with the captives, so information is difficult to ascertain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    More than 150 New York Times contributors have signed a pledge not to write for the US newspaper's opinion section, citing its “biased coverage” of the Israel-Palestine conflict and war on Gaza.

    “Until The New York Times takes accountability for its biased coverage and commits to truthfully and ethically reporting on the US-Israeli war on Gaza, any putative 'challenge' to the newsroom or the editorial board in the form of a first-person essay is, in effect, permission to continue this malpractice,” the signatories to the letter wrote.

    “Only by withholding our labor can we mount an effective challenge to the hegemonic authority that the Times has long used to launder the US and Israel’s lies,” the writers added.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20251027-female-sex-offenders-in-the-gaza-genocide/

    Two teenage Palestinian boys, aged 16 and 17, are abducted by the Israeli military from an aid distribution centre in Gaza; they are transferred to detention centres in Israel, where female Israeli soldiers strip them naked and then photograph them, play with their genitals, and tie them to the floor and straddle them.



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