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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,987 ✭✭✭yagan


    The way Trump rails against renewables I wouldn't be surprised if the primary objective is easy oil, of which Venezuela has a massive reserve. Like with the Bay of Pigs I wouldn't be surprised if Trump had a lot Venezuelan exiles whispering in his ear about mutually beneficial coup.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,553 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    It's like he's trying to outdo Thomas Midgley Jr's impact on the atmosphere.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,553 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


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    Tariffs.

    Illegal tariffs if Congress didn't roll over and play dead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Patrick2010




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    Haughey's old mantra "never complain, never explain".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,790 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    Cmon America, do your thing.

    Oh and releaee the Epstein files.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,107 ✭✭✭✭threeball


    They don't need Venezuelans whispering in their ear. Its enough to have American companies interested in the asset to launch an invasion. Just look at the history of bananas in central America and how United Fruit sponsored a war and a coup to suit their interests.

    Its where we got the term Banana Republic.

    BP pushed for regime change in Iran. Halliburton and others benefitted hugely from the "War on Terror" extending into Iraq. Dick Cheney had extensive ties and was chairman and CEO just 2 years before the invasion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,987 ✭✭✭yagan


    Trump would need a new Venezuelan regime waiting in the sidewings though to ensure any "intervention" wouldn't become a bloody quagmire. However maybe he feels goaded to go full invasion to ensure that his puppet regime keeps out the Venezuelan Nobel winner.

    His transactional brain says that the oil would cover the cost of an invasion, but I also remember the same thinking persisted in the run up to the Iraq invasion.

    The Iraq invasion seriously damaged relations with traditional European allies, and an overt Venezuelan invasion would have a similar effect on the rest of Latin America.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,741 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I don't mean to be disrespectful to your post, or your view, but this post could win an award in the "stating the obvious" category.

    It is 100% the case that Venezuelas oil reserves are a factor in his actions. And its not just him, im very skeptical about the awarding of the Nobel Peace Prize to a Venezuelan opposition leader a few weeks ago and particularly how she immediately came out praising Teump and saying he should have won it. She has long advocated for resource privatization and guess who that is going to benefit. American companies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,107 ✭✭✭✭threeball


    They could basically install anyone they feel like because security would be backed by American firepower, even if from afar.

    Reality is though that the US really can't afford another distraction occupying their military. The real economy is tanking. Makey uppey bullshìt AI boom aside, they're really in a free fall. Revenue from any Trump venture only ever goes to the 1%. The tax payer will foot the bill but nothing will come back. The debt is spiralling out of control and the reserve currency status is in jeopardy.

    Another illegal invasion will drive the wedge between the US and the rest of the World further. Embolden Russia and China and possibly be the spark that ignites global conflict.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,987 ✭✭✭yagan


    Well stating the obvious is actually novel in the context of how the USA previously interfered in Latin America. The Monroe Doctrine usually interfered via proxy regimes, so a straight out invasion would be akin to the old European colonial conquest, actual annexation with Trump as President, just as he is over Puerto Rico even though they don't have representation.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,093 ✭✭✭✭briany


    And they'd vote for him again.

    This is America we're talking about. The country that watched Trump massively mishandle a pandemic, and fundamentally undermine faith in democracy through his lies on the 2020 election, among a multitude of other sins that would end any normal political career. And America voted him back in with even larger numbers than he got the first time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,107 ✭✭✭✭threeball


    Oh, I know. You're dealing with a level of idiot that probably hasn't been witnessed in the history of mankind.

    I said about a decade ago that humanity had reached its peak and we were on a slide. MAGATS are just living, breathing evidence that we're further down the road than I anticipated. Social media is exacerbating the slide at an incredible pace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭Glencarraig


    Imagine (and I know it probably could never happen due to superior tracking) that one of the drug smuggling submarines was loaded up with explosives instead of cocaine and managed to smack into the US Navy pride and joy the Gerald Ford big f*ck off ship. Cue lots of ketchup throwing and possibly, and hopefully a massive coronary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,107 ✭✭✭✭threeball


    I see Witkoff and Kushner doing an interview about Gaza where Witkoff, without and ounce of self awareness, says theres been a master plan in place for rebuilding Gaza for over 2 years. So just a tad before October 7th even happened.

    Kushners reaction speaks volumes. I think this administration will give the original Nazis a run for their money in the fullness of time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,291 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Jaysus, Reagan sounds like Abraham Lincoln compared to Trump. Here he is taking a swipe at Americans who wanted to tariff friendly nations.

    We should beware of the demagogues who are ready to declare a trade war against our friends — weakening our economy, our national security, and the entire free world — all while cynically waving the American flag.

    Here is the full speech where that quote came from at 3:40. It’s only five minutes long and is well worth listening to, unlike Trump’s endless rambles. Observe how well he reads it too despite already showing signs of Alzheimer’s disease according to his son:

    Post edited by Ardillaun on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,291 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Imagine being in a fight for your country’s survival and this guy is the negotiator your most powerful ally sends to the enemy:

    One of Donald Trump’s top foreign policy envoys has been criticised for being unable to remember the names of the Ukrainian territories that he is negotiating with Russia over.

    Steve Witkoff, a real estate developer with no prior diplomatic experience, floundered on TV as he tried to reel off the Russian-occupied districts of Donetsk, Kherson, Zaporizhzhia and Luhansk.

    Any randomer on the street chosen for this role would have learned that much before setting off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,814 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    I refuse to believe that Witkoff is incompetent, more likely he's fully on side with Russians given his own history.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    "Asked if there would be elections, Mr Witkoff replied: “Yes ... They’ve agreed to it.” He did not give any further details.Talking about Mr Trump’s cordial relationship with Vladimir Putin, he said that the Russian despot had prayed for the US leader at a church in Moscow after the assassination attempt on him last July, when a gunman’s bullet grazed his ear."

    Got to be joking if they think Putin goes to a Church to pray for Trump, more likely paying a visit to one of his mistresses, having and keeping several is a status symbol in Russia for men, especially to an ugly little lad like Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,170 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    The simpler explanation is that she realises that trump responds positively to flattery. So massaging his ego is the way to go.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Stanley 1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,291 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Both could be true at the same time. There’s no doubt Witkoff was a brilliant builder but what does he know about international diplomacy or Ukraine? People are very rarely excellent at two highly different things. Witkoff has already demonstrated an embarrassing ignorance of the absolute basics of this matter, the land being fought over. He may also be carrying out the wishes of a Russia-friendly president but he has clearly failed to master his brief. Billionaires are not necessarily all-seeing sages on every matter under the sun. Quite often they assume they know more than they do. Look at poor old Musk. I always assume incompetence before conspiracy and in this case I have seen no reason yet to change that assessment.

    There something else that both Witkoff and Trump are poorly suited to understand that Reagan did. War is different from trade. It’s a win-lose game. Unfortunately, Trump sees the Ukrainian war as a win-win situation for him and Putin (which it may well be for them personally) and the negotiations with Canada as a win-lose war where Canada must lose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,814 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    I should have clarified more: This isn't some conspiracy.

    Witkoff is proven to have close ties to Russia.

    https://x.com/visionergeo/status/1957145655874671052

    Let’s remember

    Steve Witkoff’s deep ties to Russia at the very moment he is leading closed-door Ukraine talks with Vladimir Putin as Trump’s envoy. Behind his image as a real estate developer lies a network of oligarch connections, Kremlin-linked capital, and political positions that have consistently leaned toward Moscow.

    Witkoff’s closest partner in business has been billionaire Len Blavatnik, whose Access Industries co-financed some of the largest luxury developments in New York and Miami. Blavatnik, though often branded as a Western investor, made his fortune alongside sanctioned oligarchs Mikhail Fridman, German Khan, and Viktor Vekselberg in the AAR consortium, which sold its stake in TNK-BP to Rosneft for $55 billion. That deal directly enriched them through Putin’s state oil giant, cementing a Kremlin connection at the heart of Blavatnik’s wealth. Blavatnik himself has given millions to Republican politics, including a million-dollar check to Trump’s inauguration, while Ukraine sanctioned him in 2023 for his Russian ties.

    From Blavatnik the chain runs deeper: to Vekselberg, sanctioned for advancing Kremlin foreign policy, to Oleg Deripaska, Putin’s favored aluminum magnate and longtime target of U.S. sanctions, and to Alfa Group’s Fridman and Aven, accused of benefiting from security service ties and Putin’s system of controlled oligarchy. These men form the network from which Blavatnik’s billions were built, and Witkoff, by aligning himself with Blavatnik, enters a circle that cannot be separated from Kremlin influence.

    As envoy, Witkoff has stepped beyond private business into highly sensitive diplomacy. In 2025 he traveled to Moscow on multiple occasions, often without U.S. policy officials present, instead relying on Kremlin-provided interpreters, an unusual practice that raised questions about transparency and control of the record. In his public appearances, he praised Vladimir Putin as “super smart,” language that U.S. diplomats typically avoid given the adversarial context. More critically, Witkoff appeared to validate Russia’s staged referendums in occupied Ukrainian territories, downplayed Ukraine’s sovereignty by referring to it as a “false state” and promoted negotiation frameworks centered on territorial concessions and land exchanges. Each of these positions aligns closely with longstanding Kremlin objectives: securing recognition of its territorial gains, fragmenting Ukraine’s legitimacy, and shaping peace talks on Moscow’s terms. Russian state outlets amplified his remarks, portraying them as evidence of softening U.S. resolve.

    The picture is clear: Steve Witkoff is not simply a Trump friend entering diplomacy. His business network intersects with oligarch wealth tied to Rosneft, his partners are linked to Putin’s circle, and his public statements have echoed Russia’s messaging on Ukraine. In his role as envoy, he has become both a messenger and a potential asset for Moscow, blending U.S. politics, private deals, and Russian state interests in a way that demands serious scrutiny.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,291 ✭✭✭Ardillaun




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,589 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Remarkably Scott Bessant seems sure that China will be ready to do a soya beans deal of benefit to the U.S farmers with Trump during his Asia trip and also a rare earths deal beneficial to the U.S. He mentioned both in a recorded interview on CNBC. It's still early in the trip and Trump still has some other countries to visit first before he meets President Ji.

    On the issue of Ukraine, Putin seems to be taking Trump's expressions of annoyance seriously enough to be close to rattling the N sabre talking about a new long range missile with a nuclear warhead. This is some days after Medvedev talked about Trump's latest tariffs being an act of war. War comes in two forms, trade and martial and as the world knows some deceased leaders saw no difference between them. Touch wood there are more sensible people in Russia.

    Edit: The missile is a nuclear-engine powered missile, which presumably helps it travel further as it has less of a fuel payload. I doubt if it was made with only 1 type of warhead for effect, as it were.

    Post edited by aloyisious on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    Rosneft, a State owned company, took over Yukos Oil, largest oil company in Russia, through a State/Putin rigged auction and jailed several of the owners.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭RickBlaine


    We have our own problems in this country. They are serious and seemingly never-ending. And yet in the context of the current vitriol and tribalism of American politics, it was refreshing to hear the leaders of all political parties congratulating Catherine Connolly's win and saying she is the president for all of Ireland. That is how a normal country should function. It is how America used to function before it went badly off the rails in 2016.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,728 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Farmers, a staunch Republican voting bloc, are complaining both about the Chinese ban on US soya exports, and now also about Trump administration announcing it's going to increase importation of Argentinian beef. Officially this is about bringing down food prices, but is it also about helping Millei ahead of his midterms?

    Breaking news. Millei's party (La Libertad Avanza) has won the midterm elections. This is a surprise to some analysts who expected the party to do badly because of scandals and the US having to bail out his government. However his party will not have an overall majority. It will have around 92 out of 257, allowing it to block opposition initiatives. In the Senate it was less impressive, with 24 out of 72 seats.

    Post edited by Ozymandius2011 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Free speech in America:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/26/ice-detains-british-muslim-journalist-laura-loomer

    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/10/26/us/sami-hamdi-british-commentator-detained

    Sami Hamdi, described as a journalist by the Guardian but as a "cimmentator£ by CNN. WHatever the details, I wonder will anyone in government in the UK or anywhare else have the balls to condemn this?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,760 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    tbh while I don’t agree (at all) I think you’re a fool if you go ti America at the moment and pontificate on touchy subjects. Can’t say he wasn’t warned.



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