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Random EV Thoughts 2 - The Jimnying

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,464 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I wonder if thats the same 241 that was for sale in NI for ages with no bites.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,321 ✭✭✭obi604


    I have a 2020 Hyundai Ioniq 38 battery. I use the car every day, anything from 25-100km normally.
    I know 'they' say to keep the battery between 20 and 80% and I do this generally......but got me thinking; when I do it this way, I have to charge more often and charging more often can be bad for the battery I guess.
    Would it not be better to charge to 100% and then charge again when it runs down to about 10-15%...............therefore less charge cycles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Mr Q


    0 to 100% is one cycle. 30 to 80% twice is also one cycle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,310 ✭✭✭creedp


    Deep discharge/charge cycles are more detrimental to battery so far better to top up battery regularly than leave it discharge to low SOC and charge to a high SOC. Obviously this is all theoretical and you can only charge in a manner that suits your commute/usage but in my case if my battery is at or below 60% I’ll top up to 80% rather than wait until it gets to 20% before plugging in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 evftw


    30 to 80% twice wears battery less than 0-100%, especially if the battery is left to sit at 100% after the charge completes. But in reality the 0 to 100% outside mobile phones etc. is more like 10-90% anyway.

    I would be more worried about heat damage related to frequent quick charges on cars with poor battery cell cooling, like ID or Hyundai/Kia where only the bottom of the battery modules are cooled.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭September1


    Deep cycles are worse than shallow cycles by large factors like 5x or higher according to lab results. However BMS in car does not allow really deep cycles anyway. I think what deep cycled car reaches in 5 years could be reached in 15 years by shallow cycled car.

    Note that new LFP batteries are not less susceptible to depth of discharge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,775 ✭✭✭wassie


    Writing it off would assume you have insurance. I doubt you could get cover in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,317 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    100% agree

    With ICE drivers, some of them are genuinely clueless. I realise that's not much of an excuse but ignorance is better than malice IMO

    EV drivers should know better at least

    In my experience it seems to happen at AC chargers more than DC in recent times, so I suppose the species is slowly learning

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,464 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    You have a legal right to insurance cover,(there's a process to follow after 3 declines to pursue this option) however it's the cost that may be prohibitive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,775 ✭✭✭wassie


    Under the Declined Cases Agreement, that legal right only extends to third party cover which is mandatory across the EU. Insurers are not obligated to offer you comprehensive cover.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,097 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Honestly, please stop believing and further spreading these old wives' tales. You are basically limiting yourself to not much more than half the range of your car for no good reason. Even if you charge to 100% and down to 0% all the time, the battery will still outlast the life of the car…

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,317 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,464 ✭✭✭✭ELM327




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,317 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I reckoned so, thought it was a bit drastic to go from charger blocking straight to car insurance. Skipped a few rungs on the escalation ladder there 😂

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,738 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Not exceeding 80% charge can make a big difference to battery life of your laptop or phone. But a car has much more sophisticated battery management than a laptop or phone does…

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    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,079 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


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    Case in point. Blocking a charger with plenty of free spaces. If you see this and you own this car, you are a selfish prick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,307 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Sadly, do you reckon a driver that buys such an inappropriate vehicle as this is going to give two figs what you think however?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    Why inappropriate? Do you mean the size of that grill? 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,442 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Inappropriate in what sense ?? It’s a 1.5L BMW X1 PHEV. Pretty much the smallest cheapest mini SUV that BMW make.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,317 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    All BMW drivers are important people with important business, and as such don't have time to waste on things like good parking 😑

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭mr chips


    We've been away for the past week, staying in a few different places on either side of the country. One of those places is a bit rural, a bit overgrown, with water nearby … I came outside yesterday morning to find that the granny cable had been gnawed in a couple of places, right through the rubber sheath in one spot where there's now metal visible through it. I don't want to risk using it again in that condition until it's been checked and hopefully repaired by my spark - thankfully I can borrow a cable from a friend for a week or so. But it meant I couldn't plug in for an overnight charge at all last night and would be leaving with only 147 miles of range, rather than 240+.

    So the return trip home was "fun". We stopped in at Mayfield for the first charge as on the way there, the app showed most chargers as unoccupied when we were about 8km away. We arrived to find just the one free spot. Plugged in, saw the charge start, went in for a quick comfort break and came back out to find it charging at only 17kW. Called ESB, to be told that the charger would have to be restarted, which couldn't be done until the cars on both sides were unplugged. Of course, there was nobody sat in the other car. With the number of cars already charging there, I didn't want to risk carrying on to Ionity Kill in case I ended up stuck in a queue there as I was already behind schedule, so I had to wait nearly 20 minutes until a different charging point became free, taking on a massive 5kWh in that time. Once connected to the other charger, the fastest speed I then got was 55kW, even though I'd arrived at Mayfield with 21% after 90 minutes of driving.

    Even after the full 45 minutes on the second charger, I knew I wouldn't have enough to get home, but thought I might reach the 100kW chargers in Ballymena - then we had a diversion on the way. So with just 14 miles of range left (about 3 miles after the "low battery" warning, but before actually reaching full-on turtle mode), I pulled in at Junction One in Antrim, where there are two E.On chargers outside Tim Hortons. Charging rate started off at 54kW, but just before the range indicator ticked over to 40 miles it sped up to 74kW, so by the time the shopping was done the range was up to 112 miles. Only cost 34p/kWh on PAYG, which is considerably cheaper than any other provider and is only barely above standard domestic electricity prices. Pity that seems to be the only E.On charging location in NI!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭JohnySwan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,900 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Highly recommend the Fastned Banbridge as a quick pit stop in the future - huge amount of chargers and never had any issues with low charge rates or connection errors like I do with ESB (constantly these days)

    And if it's during the daytime you can pop into Starbucks or KFC and by the time you're out again you'll probably have added 20-30 miles of range.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭innrain


    J14 was a lemon from the get go and it still is. People use it from inertia but I would recommend against it. I would have chosen this https://www.plugshare.com/location/472044 if Ionity was not an option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭mr chips


    Cheers folks. I wasn't aware of that Maxol station, but I see now there are 6 200kW chargers available as of last month - great to have another option in that general area. I've used the chargers at Banbridge a couple of times alright, but until I got diverted (as it happens, just at Banbridge) I thought my plan was reasonably sound and I drove on past it. I had only been aiming for places that (a) had multiple charging options so I wouldn't have to queue and (b) were faster than 50kW, as I thought that I'd get closer to the max 74kW my car can charge at once the battery is warm enough. As my battery doesn't have pre-heating, I even drove a bit harder than necessary towards Mayfield in the hope that it might raise the battery temperature somewhat and facilitate that slightly faster charge speed, but any benefit I might have gained from that was probably cancelled out by the length of time sat at the faulty charger. Plus it seems I'd actually need to get the SOC down closer to 10% for that to happen - not something you necessarily want to risk doing unless you can be sure of arriving at a working charger!

    It was a bit of a perfect storm in terms of not being able to set off with a full battery, encountering a faulty charger and having to wait for a working one, getting a slower than expected charging speed and then being diverted - all while needing to get back in time for someone arriving at my place! Thankfully they were delayed as well. Anyway, it's unlikely that all of those things will happen again, so I'll not chuck the toys out of the pram just yet.



  • Subscribers Posts: 32,889 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    Quick one that probably doesn't need it's own thread, so hopefully OK here.

    We're looking to get my wife's family to install a home charger (in South Galway) mostly so that we can use it whenever she travels down with the kids, so that she doesn't need to stop on the way back to charge. They don't have an EV themselves and probably won't at this stage, so we're looking for a cheap (but safe and properly installed obviously) home charger. Doesn't need a lot of features really, just something to plug into and charge at 7kW give or take.

    We'll be a 2 EV house soon and this would help as it'll be the only journey that would regularly happen where we'd need to charge, and she's not as confident charging on the public network as she'd like, especially with the kids in the car, so we're looking to see what generally would be the best value option. Their house is off road in the countryside so no additional groundworks needed, and I know caveats like fuse board space, etc applies, but looking to see if there are any good options for cheap and cheerful, or if it depends on the installer mostly, or are prices the same generally speaking?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,407 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Fokearn did my brothers charger in Roscommon so I guess Galway is possible too.

    Something like the below for 699, I presume that is after 300 grant price

    You're not going to get much below that price anywhere else to be honest.

    If the trip to Galway is regular enough it will pay for itself in a short enough time, plus be generally easier

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,900 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    How long do you usually stay at their place? Because if it's anything like my visits to family, this would do 😉

    https://www.diy.ie/departments/lap-13a-grey-1-gang-outdoor-weatherproof-switched-socket/5059340290874_BQ.prd

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  • Subscribers Posts: 32,889 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    Nah, would like a proper 7kw one, can plug in as granny charger if needed but it's often difficult to day trip rather than overnight.

    That 699 one after grant seems like a good price, thanks all.



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