Israel/Palestine Thread

That is patently false, Faisal was the leader of the Arab revolt and they wanted a unitary Arab state. This is reflected in the results of the King-Crane commission. Unfortunately for the Arabs, they had too much faith in the British. The British promised an Arab state, but kept the details deliberately vague as they knew they were going to shaft them in the long run. There was never any written promise, so that is what the Brits fell back on. Anyone who has ever watched Lawrence of Arabia would remember this.

There was no Palestinian representative at the time so how could they be left out? The Arabs were not involved in Sykes-Picot so they didn't make any agreements. Faisal was actually crowned King of Greater Syria after the war, but was kicked out by the French as it was to be their territory under Sykes-Picot.

I will repeat, the Arab's had zero input into the division of the ME after WW1, so you are talking complete BS.

As a comparison, the Austro-Hungarian Empire was also broken up and we saw the creation of many new states, but each one had an input into their own creation. Czechslovakia, Yugoslavia etc.

Ben Gvir confronts shackled prisoners :)

Israeli Minister Itamar Ben Gvir was filmed at an Israeli prison where he called for the execution of Palestinian detainees.

In a viral clip, the far-right national security minister was seen standing in front of a cell, declaring that Palestinian detainees "deserve a death penalty law."

The video then pans to several Palestinians inside the cell, shackled and kneeling in a stress position with their backs to the camera.

His remarks come as parliament prepares to debate a series of controversial bills, including one that would impose the death penalty on those convicted of terrorism.

Justice crawls slowly.

The International Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague has granted Israel another extension to submit its evidence in response to South Africa's argument that it has committed genocide in Gaza. 

In an order dated 20 October and published on Thursday, the ICJ said it has accepted Israel's request to further extend its deadline by two months to 12 March 2026, after an earlier extension to 12 January. 

The ICJ's original deadlines for the two states to deliver their written arguments were 28 October 2024 for South Africa and 28 July 2025 for Israel to file its counter-arguments, known as “counter-memorials”. 

South Africa complied with its deadline, but Israel in April requested an extension of six months, which South Africa opposed.

The ICJ compromised, granting a five-and-a-half month extension to 12 January 2026.

Smotrich made to apologise publicly after insulting Saudi Arabia.

Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich mocked Saudi Arabia and any attempts to normalize relations in return for a Palestinian State during a conference for the Zomet Institute and the Makor Rishon newspaper on Thursday.

"If Saudi Arabia tells us ‘normalization in exchange for a Palestinian state,’ friends — no thank you. Keep riding camels in the desert in Saudi Arabia, and we will continue to develop with the economy, society and state and the great things that we know how to do. Israel is the state of Israel within all its borders, and there will never be a Palestinian state," Smotrich stated, addressing Israeli President Isaac Herzog.

Soon after, the Israeli minister apologized for his remarks of "keep riding camels" in a video he posted on X. “My comment about Saudi Arabia was absolutely inappropriate, and I apologize for the insult it caused," Smotrich said in the video.

No there wasn't evidence - there was a single allegation which would have been proved by now if it had been true.

But anyway that wouldn't change the fact that you can't go round a battlefield gathering up corpses in order to use their organs. Which was my actual point.

There's no point in me repeating that yet again. It's like me arguing with someone who insists the earth is 6000 years old.

It’s the usual Zionist modus operandi. Deny, deny, deny. Claim it is a despicable anti semitic blood libel. Then, after conclusive evidence emerges admit it is true.

“In December 2009, Israeli officials admitted that they had harvested the organs of Palestinians without their families' permission.

 These Palestinians had been killed by the Israeli military, but Israeli officials emphasized they did not kill Palestinians in order to harvest their organs.”

Israel did steal organs from dead Palestinians just as I claimed Volchitsa. It is not a conspiracy theory.
You are still promoting a debunked conspiracy theory about the beheading of an October 7th victim. This conspiracy theory was started by Israeli President Herzog. His own office later issued a clarification but the conspiracy is still repeated by bad actors.

Netanyahu may have a problem managing the MAGA movement because of its serious internal divisions on foreign policy. He can count on the traditional Christian Zionists like Huckabee to back him as well as long-term beneficiaries of AIPAC generosity like Rubio but there is also an isolationist faction that views Israel in a dimmer, almost paleoconservative, light akin to Ukraine or NATO. The media end of this tendency is typified by Tucker Carlson, and Steve Bannon to some extent. Politically, Vance would be the leading man here with Marjorie Taylor Greene emerging as well. Notice how he’s a lot blunter than Rubio in publicly telling Netanyahu that West Bank annexation is a non-starter:

By contrast, Trump is an opportunist. How he’ll balance these forces is anybody’s guess but the quids will surely be involved.

When did Palestinians leave Gaza Cordell?

That's a huge "if".

We consistently have posters in here saying "nobody ever says what Israel could have done differently", as some kind of gotcha (which tacitly and sociopathically backs what they have done in Gaza).

I know it's silly to lower myself but just so we never have hear that accusation again, I have provided one. It may me rose tinted, hindsight is 20/20 etc - but it does follow anti terror protocols, modern urban warfare strategies, accepted diplomatic processes, and of course, adherence to international law (not adherence to wHaT hApPeNeD iN wW2)

Also, anyone claiming what they are doing now is better, is shilling for a what has likely been declared a genocide.

1. Set clear goals

(i) Focus on rescuing hostages and stopping immediate attacks - not on destroying Hamas entirely. That is not a valid military aim. This policy lead to the destruction of Gaza, and left the lives of the hostages to chance.

(ii) Keep objectives measurable and achievable without mass civilian harm.

2. Use precise, intelligence-based operations

(i) Employ special-forces raids and verified-target strikes, not blanket bombing. The former is typical in hostage retrieval and anti terror operations, even in dense urban environments.

(ii) Abort any strike where civilian casualties would outweigh the military value.

3. Protect civilians and follow international law

(i) Create real safe zones and evacuation corridors with UN or Red Cross oversight. Do not force people force people into a non resourced area, then bomb it.

(ii) Allow humanitarian aid, fuel, and medical care from day one. Do not bomb all hospitals and then cause a famine.

(iii) Enforce strict rules of engagement and investigate every major incident independently. The world consistently sees Israel say they will investigate warcrime allegations, and nothing happens. Once trust is eroded....

4. Combine force with real diplomacy in prioritizing hostage release

(i) Work through Qatar, Egypt, and the UN for hostage talks and temporary ceasefires. Do not kill the envoys.

(ii) Pair limited military action with active negotiation, not isolation. Hostages are typically released through negotiations rather than military force.

(iii) Do not bomb negotiators in allied countries.

5. Choose lawful, responsible rhetoric

(I) Avoid dehumanizing or genocidal language; it signals intent and fuels genocide claims. Over 500 were submitted to the ICJ showing what can be perceived as clear intent.

(ii) Publicly emphasize protection of civilians and adherence to humanitarian law. Not quotes from leaders like "wipe Gaza off the map."

(iii) Discipline officials who use inflammatory or racist language. Gvir and Smotrich are regularly inciting genocide, yet still remain on power, which gives an image that their views are supported by government and those prosecuting the war.

6. Be transparent

(i) Allow journalists and aid workers into Gaza under protection, from day 1. Do not target media workers.

(ii) Admit mistakes honestly — credibility is strategic power.

(iii) Separate military briefings from propaganda.

(iv) Do not issue false or speculative statements (e.g., about targets, hospitals, schools, mosques, aid workers, paramedics or casualty numbers) - credibility lost will likely not be regained.

7. Uphold accountability

(i) Launch genuine independent war-crimes investigations immediately; prosecute where evidence exists. If hospitals/ schools need to be targeted etc, provide proof.

(ii) Facilitate UN and NGO observers who can independently report on civilian conditions and strike aftermaths. Openness reduces suspicion of cover-ups.

8. Plan for “the day after” from the start

(i) Coordinate with Arab and international partners on:

Reconstruction and aid
Interim governance under Palestinian or UN leadership
Demilitarization and elections for legitimate leadership.

This only happened under Trump, Israel's stated mission was to destroy Hamas and in turn Gaza.

(ii) Show the world there is a political and humanitarian endgame, not just endless destruction, lies and genocidal rhetoric

9. Communicate truthfully and humanely

(i) Express empathy for Palestinian civilians as well as Israeli victims. They are all innocent caught up in this, and it would go a long way

(ii) Use clear, factual language; let evidence speak louder than slogans. In the current scenario, as we see in this thread, evidence is the bane of Israeli propaganda and lies. I lost trust along time ago, and will even mistrust them when they tell the truth. Credibility is zero.

(iii) Release evidence publicly (videos, coordinates, battle damage assessments) - after verification - to avoid later contradictions. This does not happen as whole neighborhoods get levelled.

(iv) Had they fought this war differently, transparency and humanity would have been possible to communicate, and would have preserved Israel's moral authority and global support after October 7th. But the road they went down was to destroy everything, mass killing civilians, cause a famine, and then accuse critics/ NGOs/the UN of being in Hamas or antisemetic, destroying the capital they had.

I don't know how anybody on here (who isn't secretly just relishing Muslims being killed) could honestly argue that a smarter and more humanitarian path wasn't possible: precision over punishment, truth over propaganda, diplomacy over blanket bombs, accountability over slander, law over vengeance, planning over chaos.

That approach could have saved thousands of lives, protected hostages, and preserved Israel’s legitimacy instead of isolating it.