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Puska Family

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,548 ✭✭✭SteM


    But the votes for him will be passed on the the next preference on the ballot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,684 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    No that's in a general election where the proportional representation system comes in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 450 ✭✭pjdarcy


    It appears that people are so quick to jump on the anti-immigrant bandwagon these days. It's extremely common for people to protect their loved ones when it comes to crime.

    https://studyfinds.org/the-more-heinous-the-crime-the-more-likely-people-will-protect-their-loved-ones/

    Are people under the impression that Ireland was some sort of crime-free utopia before the first immigrant arrived on our shores?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,654 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    Judges in this country desperately need to be reigned in and held accountable for their actions and sentencing.

    These people commited a crime in this country and they should be punished according to the laws of this country. That's it. End of story. Their culture or how they were raised or whatever else shouldn't enter into it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 660 ✭✭✭Marcos


    Well according to another post if all five adults are on jobseekers / disability plus fourteen kids child allowance it's coming close to €2500 a week that this family is costing us.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,778 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    From what I’ve read here, it seems that many people are upset about the generous benefits the Puskas family received, despite appearing to contribute very little to society. What makes this even more difficult to accept is that one of them went on to brutally murder a young woman who, in stark contrast, gave so much to society. That contrast understandably fuels people’s anger.

    Perhaps if we didn’t give them such a cushy life for doing nothing, they might never have settled here, and Ashling Murphy might still be living her full and vibrant life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭MSVforever


    Everywhere they go they cause trouble. There are massive issues with lot in German cities where they run down whole areas (even the Turks had enough).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,654 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    At least. Roma are masters at playing the system and claiming benifits for everything under the sun. Coal or heating oil, kid's shoes, school uniforms etc. You name it, they will be getting it. Things you probably had no idea you could claim for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭An Claidheamh


    The deference of media and society to judges is actually disturbing, they are literally treated like royalty



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭LastApacheInjun


    Surely there should be some kind of system where you have to pay x amount of stamps before you can draw down long term illness benefit? I mean, fine if you came to the country before you were 18, have a long term illness and can't work. I don't mind those people getting benefits. But if you moved here after the age of 18, worked for three months and then you claim long term illness? I'm sorry, but that's your home state's problem, not ours. The fact that you might have worked for five years in Poland or Slovakia or wherever shouldn't count towards drawing down social welfare here. I know it's supposed to be the whole free movement of workers thing - that paying stamps in Poland should be the same as paying stamps here, and vice versa for our workers working in other EU countries, but it's not working if people are playing the system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,363 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Let's be honest, its not worth getting annoyed about whoever the Pres is. Sure they do next to fcuk all.

    If I counted the number of times I seen something about Pres Higgins on the need over the last 14yrs, it would be less than the number of times I seen him shaking hands with footballers or rugby players.

    They do nothing, have little power and their tenure will not affect your day to day life.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 58,086 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    There is, it's called Invalidity Pension, you need at least 5 years fully paid PRSI contributions to qualify. Long term Illness Benefit (Continuous Duration) hasn't been a thing since 2011 or so.

    Disability Allowance is a means tested payment though, it's not based on PRSI contributions. You can get it from the age of 16 having never worked a day here. It's supposed to be extremely difficult to get as well due to the medical evidence side of things but when you have groups advocating for you and advising you exactly what to say and put down then it's a system that can be easily gamed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,502 ✭✭✭arctictree


    The 'disability' is one of the biggest con jobs going. Would love to see stats compared to the general population.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭spillit67


    You can get money grifting for the right just as easily.

    I think Varadkar did come more into the centre but also allowed Twitter to drive the narrative of his Government as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭spillit67


    This is the fairly typical reaction.

    It shouldn’t be hard for someone to figure out why civic minded people would have an issue here. I think in this instance where a Judge specifically gave special treatment because of a culture that people are entitled to ask questions around that.

    I’d fully accept that racists will just on this case but you aren’t helping with this bit of sweep sweepery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,674 ✭✭✭Tin Foil Hat


    Jim Gavin would have no legal authority to concede the presidency to the person who finished second.

    If he was to win tomorrow's election we would have either President Jim Gavin or a new election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 450 ✭✭pjdarcy


    I'm just tired of all the anti immigrant stuff lately to be honest mate. The people who have weaponised the tricolour to intimidate foreign nationals, the thugs attacking the Gardai at City West, Conor McGregor and his supporters etc etc. It's all so bloody draining



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭spillit67




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭Lofidelity


    One in five claim to have a disability!

    Regular unemployed folk have to do training courses and be seen to apply for jobs, but if you are on disability you dont have to worry about any of that. The problem is the doctors who sign off on bogus claimants.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭Lofidelity


    You dont have to go that far, just walk from the city centre to Croke Park



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,363 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Maybe the government could appoint doctors to do this? Ones who actually will be genuine?

    And what is in it for any GP to sign off the Puska brothers as having bad backs?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,793 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭dublincelt


    There are plenty of folk making large amounts of money out of this charade. The legal profession, the landlords, state bodies. Its a cash cow and we need to call this out at and this pondlife family have no right to be here. They must be deported.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,932 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Likely very unpopular opinion here (and not defending the scumbags, just haven't followed the story too closely)

    Aside from the ones who burned the clothes (should have thrown themselves in with it) How were the ones who stayed quiet convicted? I know it's a highly emotive case and everything but don't people have the right not to say anything?

    You could literally jail a quarter of the country off the back of not saying something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭Lofidelity


    I dunno, maybe there should be annual checks with a specialist? Maybe the GP didnt want hassle and chose a quite life and signed the papers.

    Some people are determined not to work ever, disabled or not. Its easy to do. Incomplete CV's, no cover letters, applying for unsuitable jobs, being rude at interview etc. The social welfare system was supposed to be a safety net but its grown out of control. When unemployed people get to enjoy an equal, or better, standard of living to working people, you know the country has gone crazy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,211 ✭✭✭Everlong1


    Aisling Murphy's partner has issued an excellent statement condemning the lenient sentences handed out and has asked the Minister for Justice to comment on same. The Indo article below is behind a paywall for anyone who has a subscription.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/nothing-short-of-a-disgrace-ashling-murphys-boyfriend-lashes-out-at-spineless-weak-justice-system-after-puska-family-sentence/a631076884.html

    Some selected comments for those of you with no Indo sub:

    “I was utterly disgusted, extremely angry and yet again was taken back at how spineless, weak and tolerable the Irish justice system is when it comes to sentencing criminals who engage in such crimes,” he said.

    “I cannot help but ask myself why… maybe it’s down to the fact that our prisons are at 115pc capacity….but that is absolutely no excuse in my book to be weak on crime.”

    Mr Casey said the sentencing “was an opportunity to lay down a marker and to set a precedent to anyone else who dares to engage in such crimes.

    But again, as always, the weak and spineless Irish justice system has failed yet another victim and another victim’s family which is becoming a notable trend in Ireland across various types of criminal cases might I add,” he said.

    “The Irish justice system needs a complete revisit and overhaul and needs to grow a backbone and begin to start rolling out tougher and harsher sentences to criminals in this country, the type of punishments and sentences that make criminals think twice before engaging in such crimes.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,579 ✭✭✭leath_dub


    Didn't we have a referendum years back that decided that being born in the state didn't automatically confer citizenship unless at least 1 of the parents were citizens or were entitled to citizenship?

    The ideal situation would be to deport the lot of them.and let them.servd their sentences in their own country and cease their sponging off this state



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭LastApacheInjun


    That's exactly what I came on to say.

    Surely you can't get disability allowance unless you are examined by a state doctor? Or have a long standing diagnosis of like, schizophrenia or cerebral palsy or something? They can't just be relying on a GP diagnosis? Sure think of all the doctors that sign off on whiplash for insurance fraud?

    Now that said, if you work in construction it is more likely that you'll end up with a serious physical injury. And nearly every job involves standing or sitting for long periods, which I'd imagine if you have a disc injury means you just can't do that job. Like, he couldn't do a call centre job if he didn't have good english (which, from looking at the statements made to Gardai, he didn't). But you shouldn't get DA unless someone independent assesses you. My son is autistic, and we get Domiciliary Care Allowance, which converts to DA once he turns 16. Even with all the advice in the world on what to put on the forms, and a diagnosis froma psychologist and a sign off from my GP, there were an incredible amount of hoops to jump through (which is only right). I would have thought it was the same with DA.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭LastApacheInjun


    And so another question. If you are a migrant from an EU country, and you get convicted on indictment of a criminal offence that results in a prison sentence, is there any way those individuals can be forced to move back to their home country once their prison sentence is served? There's no carve out from the freedom of movement laws to allow that? I mean, I'm not saying that you should be forced to move back after you get a parking fine, we're not ICE. Nor if you are a naturalised citizen - if that's the case you're our problem now. But a serious crime that results in a significant sentence?



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