Puska Family

Lofidelity

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123931592#Comment_123931592

23 Romanian criminals were deported last week.

GalwayGaillimh

In news today it costs 99000 per year or €256 a day to keep someone in Jail god knows what the cost of keeping the 14 kids in care is... so tax payer still paying for them except a hell of a lot more...

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123931540#Comment_123931540

Aisling Murphy's partner has issued an excellent statement condemning the lenient sentences handed out and has asked the Minister for Justice to comment on same.

The MOJ doesn't normally do that, also would be ill advised when the DPP can still appeal the sentence if do decide it is lenient based on our laws and sentencing guidelines.

Sultan of Bling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123931352#Comment_123931352

They used to carry out medical experiments on them in camps during WW2, but as Jimmy Carr said, no one wants to talk about the positive things.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123931620#Comment_123931620

Tbf if they are given to Tusla at least half them would be lost within a month so TUSLA's incompetence would be a saving.

Silentcorner

Well isn't it ironic, that the blame for this lies squarely with the Political, media and NGO class who at the time placed the blame for the murder of Aishling Murphy on all white Irish men, they filled the news shows, column inches, twitter feeds across all Irish media outlets with nothing than can be described as any other than open, institutional misandry, it was disgusting to watch at the time.

When it was them, who have gaslight the people (and I am referring to all people, irish or otherwise, who work hard and pay taxes) for well over a decade now ramming down unsustainable, deeply unpopular policies who are responsible for this tragedy. Remember the government fund an NGO who lobby them not to open new prison spaces, even if Puska had 50 convictions here he most likely would have been free to butcher Aishling anyway.

The "Progressive, Be kind, (so called) Liberal Pitchfork mob" who have determined public discourse over the past decade will wonder no doubt why they are hated so much by so many…because there will be many more murders, mass stabbings, rapes on account of those policies they are forcing on all of us.

Tomorrows victory will not be the victory they think it is, silencing people, either their voices or their voting intentions is not a victory that brings the result they think it will. It will be a hollow victory, for anyone with half a brain can see what way the political winds are blowing.

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123931253#Comment_123931253

The Puskas are/were on DA, which is not social insurance.

It is longer term, means-tested social assistance.

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123931316#Comment_123931316

Here is data on SI contributors:

Here is data on welfare recipients

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123931547#Comment_123931547

Yeah but if the parents have been here a while they can get their kids passports. Knowing the benefits that would bring I would be surprised if they didn't sort passports for them by now.

Francie Barrett

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123931540#Comment_123931540

Ryan Murphy is on the money. A marker should have been put down against this human garbage.

To this day Jozef Puska maintains his innocence, his wife and family still stand behind him, there is not an iota of contrition or regret in what these people did.

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123931885#Comment_123931885

would that not only be if the Puskas family were given citizenship in one of McEntees amnesty ?

893bet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123931826#Comment_123931826

At a glance it’s 1.6 ish million people on SW.

Jesus **** Christ we are fucked.

retalivity

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123932023#Comment_123932023

you including the near 500k childrens allowance recipients in that? Also id bet theres plenty of cross-contamination, the same people on multiple benefits

visatorro

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123929792#Comment_123929792

Didn't the state get in trouble a few years ago for taking a child with blond hair off a roma family? State reckoned the child didn't look like a roma and couldn't be a roma child. Dna proved the child was roma. Was probably a big pay out after that and state probably just leave them alone because its not worth the hassle, similar to our own ethnic group

SteM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123932050#Comment_123932050

676k getting children's allowance in total and 530k oaps. Hardly fucked tbh.

Tork

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123931821#Comment_123931821

Is someone who's capable of getting onto a bike and clocking up several kilometres during the day disabled? Google Maps says the route from Puska's house in Mucklagh to where Ashling was murdered is 10km. That doesn't include all the cycling he did in the town in the run-up to attacking her. There's many a working person who would struggle to comfortably cycle for that long.

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123932023#Comment_123932023

There are 2.4m recipients:

There are 3.5m beneficiaries, of whom 1.3m are children:

Geuze

I'm not sure if the children getting Child Benefit are included in the 2.4m recipients. I doubt it. A parent receiving CB looks to be included in the 2.4m figure.

They are included in the 3.5m beneficiaries.

Timesheet

No one is going near DA for a while....LOL

Less than two weeks after public submissions on the document were closed at the end of April 2024, the government scrapped the Green Paper.

In the wake of this rejection, Humphreys said the government would “need to have a fresh look” at disability reform.

The Dáil was dissolved in December 2024. Humphreys did not contest the general election that followed.

https://www.thejournal.ie/factfind-heather-humpreys-green-paper-disability-payments-reform-presidential-run-6796718-Aug2025/

There's always going to be edge cases like Puska slipping by in any system.

Emotions are high right now. These guys will be out of jail in year or two, some other outrage will take the headlines and the circus will move on.

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123932130#Comment_123932130

Yes, nothing ever changes.

My father paid tax towards fraudulent cases, I pay tax to give to the Puskas, and my children will pay tax towards their many children.

Fotish

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123932140#Comment_123932140

Many people pay Tax to give the Puskas and their ilk a free house, yet they cannot affore to purchase a house for themselves.

That is one of the main objections ordinary Tax payers have to the current Government policy on unchecked Migration.

JVince

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123932023#Comment_123932023

Totally unfair to include pensions in that - especially contributory pensions where the contributors and their employers paid plenty of prsi. In addition, you still pay tax on pension and other welfare payments like jobseekers if your annual earning / payments are in excess of the tax free allowance everyone receives.

And headline recipient figures include ANY SW payment - illness benefit, maternity benefit, children's allowance, carers benefit etc.. So someone who is out sick for 2 weeks is included. The 120,000 or so that would be on maternity leave in any 12 month period are also included. (based on 54,000 annual births and 6 months maternity payments)

Figures also show that non Irish people contribute WAY more to tax and PRSI than Irish on a per head figure and the British people are still the largest immigrant group in this country

893bet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123932050#Comment_123932050

no I didn’t include children allowance

Montage of Feck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123931403#Comment_123931403

The fleg wavers like the Pushkas are a product of our broken social welfare system.

Montage of Feck

On the positive side of migration there is 100,000 Polish people contributing to the country.

paddyisreal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123932616#Comment_123932616

what exactly has that got to do with anything ? no body here is mentioning migration, we are taking about a bunch of scumbags who covered up a bloody murder and got a slap on the wrist. the same bunch of scumbags who are a burden on the state and never contributed anything.

paddyisreal

amazing the lack of coverage ryan caseys statement is getting across our national media. the journal 9 at 9 - nothing about it. rte nothing about it. irish times nothing about it. and they wonder why social media is filling the gap…..

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123932251#Comment_123932251

That would included highly skilled workers that are very mobile. A recession and flight of multinationals would quickly change that. Look at the details, what is the contribution and drain per Roma migrant? A very different picture comes from the specifics.

LastApacheInjun

They don't break down tax payments or social welfare recipients by ethnic type (for obvious reasons) so you'll never know how much or how little Roma groups contribute to the economy. Roma could be Czech, Romanian, Moldovan, Slovakian or any number of Eastern European nationalities.

Immigration reform is aimed at migrants from outside of the EU27, so even if there was immigration reform the Puskas would still have gotten in. I am very much pro-EU, and it has been to all of our security benefit that the Eastern European states joined the EU, especially in light of a more aggressive Russia. But this is the downside of free movement. There's going to be pockets of ethnic groups or nationalities that absolutely game the system. And remember, we have our own ethnic groups who notoriously game the system too, so this is a home grown as well as "foreign" problem.

I'm less bothered about the Puskas getting to rent a house through social welfare. There were six adults and 14 children living in that house apparently. It must have been like a tenement house from the 30's. I don't think they would have been living in the lap of luxury, and it's a rental, its not like they now own it.

I do absolutely resent anyone getting away with claiming disability benefit, or any kind of benefit, when they're not entitled to it. I don't understand why something as easily gamed as disability benefit is not independently assessed. I'd happily pay the same amount of tax, and have the money go on state doctors or investigators to ensure that only those who need the benefits get them. That way people who genuinely draw down disability benefit are not getting side eyed as lazy or wasters.

Come at me if you will, but I am less angry with the wives who burnt the clothing, then I am with the brothers who clearly ordered them to do it. Yes, they could have said no, gone to the Guards and dobbed in their brother-in-law. But in reality that may have resulted in a beating, or a divorce. The girls are not educated, and they have a number of children to look after. There's no safety net for them, they can't work, and they'd have no support. I know what I would have done, if I had been raised in that environment and told to burn the clothes. So I get why they got a lesser sentence.

JVince

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123932690#Comment_123932690

Roma gypsies, just like Irish travellers, are a drain on whatever country they reside in. Germany and Britain in particular suffer badly from the rampages of Irish travellers destroying towns and leaving mayhem and massive remedial costs in their wake.

Thankfully Germans and British don't tar all Irish people as being the same as Irish travellers and thankfully the majority of Irish people can differentiate between Roma Gypsies and Romanians.

Whilst many of the roma gypsies in Ireland come from Romania, a large number are Turkish and their origins are India and despite the name being "Roma" the name has no origin connection to Romania. Just that Romania is one of the first countries they crossed to and they then stayed.