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Northern Ireland 2125?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,135 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Not your first fallacy, but we'll keep correcting you,

    There is NOBODY forcing Irish language signs on anyone.

    'Bi-lingual signs' and sometimes Tri-lingual signs are being rolled out across the jurisdiction as has been democratically agreed.

    Regulation of marches and parades are also the result of democratically agreed regulations and codes of conduct.

    Any sign of back up for a proposal for 'bi-lingual name badges'?

    Because if you haven't that is going to have to go on your repeated fallacies list.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    Did anyone learn about south africa in school??? Perhaps show me what school subject curriculum kids are thought about the 12 official languages of south africa. Anyway some of those 12 official languages some are tribe languages.

    Now back to where we live, ireland. You said a few decades ago noone in NI could speak irish. That shows you your level of knowledge on this subject. Go off and buy an angle grinder you bigot.

    Mod - warned for personal abuse

    Post edited by Leg End Reject on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I have already gone through this with you and demonstrated that there are not general structural areas, there are particular issues affecting particular parts - special needs, Irish, science and maths.

    Some of these are being addressed, but Irish, in particular, is going to be a harder nut to crack, which is my point. I have produced the evidence, which you have not been able to refute, so you retreat into general platitudes to cover that up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,135 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Yeh, you went 'through it' with your 'oooooh you're gonna regret that' rubbish.

    I have no need to 'refute' your anti-Irish scaremongering.

    I understand CnG's reasoning and expert balanced assessments of what the problems are and what the needs are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Look, I produced the evidence and the links, you didn't refute a single thing. Shouting and roaring about anti-Irishness is not going to change those facts.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,135 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I don't need to refute anything. I am secure in my understanding of the expert opinion on the matter.
    I reacted to your 'ooooooooooh you're gonna regret that' anti-Irish language (nothing new from your keyboard TBH) scaremonger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    If you understood the expert opinion, you would agree with me, because I presented the only expert opinion and facts on the issue. The only thing you produced was a self-serving union document slanted for their members, which is what they are paid to do.

    You reacted as you always do, shouting and roaring about opinions and shooting messengers, without considering any of the facts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,135 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I am fully researched on CnG's expert opinion on the structural problems and how to overcome them and how to make the sector sustainable.

    And worrying (or in your case salivating) about new career paths opening up in the EU is not something they are doing.

    Review your faux superiority would be my advice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,638 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Good analogy. The slight nationalist majority in Belfast now (or Bear Feirste as it may be re-named in a U.I., who knows) are behaving towards the minority there now by forcing Irish names on to streets which never had an Irish connection a bit like in the hypothetical case of making a persons name bilingual above.

    It is just meant to taunt as the workers putting up the signs make snide remards about every word of Irish being a bullet for Irish freedom. Most prods in Belfast City Council would not want to and will not put up signs in Irish in P.U.L. areas, I do not blame them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    If you agreed with the above analogy then every place name that was named first in irish ( which would be i am guessing be about 90%+place names in NI) would just have the irish name as it was there first and therefore was wring to change it. So yes the above analogy would mean that belfast would just be known as Bear Feriste. Only names that derived first in english like king street would not need to be translated as it was always known as king street. Do you want that?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,638 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    The language of the place is the English language. Wakey wakey. It is also how we often if not usually communicate within most of the western world, so we are very lucky. Because as a race we are not great at learning languages like the dutch for example are. Most of us cannot communicate in French or German or Spanish for example.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,135 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Irish is an official language of NI - wakey wakey



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,638 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Only since 2022.

    As someone else said, there are 12 official languages in South Africa : that does not mean there has to be 12 languages on every sign.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,135 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Yes 2022 and the democratically agreed recognition of that is being rolled out across NI. The Irish language is everywhere and will be in more places as befits an official language.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,638 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Do you believe what Kneecap said many times (and what some of the lads putting up the signs in Belfast said) : "every word of Irish is a bullet for Irish freedom"?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    That analogy that itsacoolday suggested which you agreed with was that you should not change existing names regardless of what language it is in.

    They said if thier son is christened peter it should not be changed to peadar just because he is surrounded by a majority of irish speakers. Then the recipicol argument is that if the kid is christened Peadar it should not be changed to peter if surrounded by a majority of english speakers.

    Massive own goal by you both. One for suggesting it and the other agreeing with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,135 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You might as well ask do I believe what a loyalist band think about a situation.

    What 'lads putting up the signs' said this?

    This another pathetic attempt at a smear?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,638 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    You are wrong there. In the analogy, the person called Peter Smith or whatever it was did not want his name changed to Irish, but had to because a slight majority of people in the workplace wanted bi-lingual everything.

    The people in PUL areas in Belfast do not want bi-lingual signs but have to if only 15% of people in the area want them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,638 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Do you believe what Kneecap said many times : "every word of Irish is a bullet for Irish freedom"?

    A yes or no answer will suffice. No more deflecting please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,135 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    WHO has proposed bi-lingual name badges?

    Please back up some of this rubbish commentary.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,638 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    It was a hypothetical situation, showing if it is wrong to change a persons name ( compared to what he was always known as in living memory, and against his wishes), it is also wrong to change a streets name ( compared to what it was always known as in living memory, and against resident's wishes).

    QED.

    Now, again, do you believe what Kneecap said many times : "every word of Irish is a bullet for Irish freedom"?

    A yes or no answer will suffice. No more deflecting please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,135 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It was Pearse who said it originally.

    With Unionists throwing their toys out of the pram over having to look at a small bit of Irish and showing YET again they are not willing to countenance equality and parity of esteem, Pearse might have been right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,135 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    NOBODY has CHANGED it's name. It's name in English is STILL there. Fallacy after fallacy.

    Jesus H!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,638 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    I'll rephrase it so.

    It was a hypothetical situation, showing if it is wrong to make a persons name bi-lingual, with a bi-lingual name badge ( compared to what he was always known as in living memory, and against his wishes), it is also wrong to make a streets name bi-lingual ( compared to what it was always known and in living memory) when it is against the resident's wishes. Especially when the residents think it is being done to taunt. And you have the cheek to try to tell us there would be no taunting of minorities in a U.I.

    Now, again, do you believe what Kneecap said many times : "every word of Irish is a bullet for Irish freedom"?

    A yes or no answer will suffice. No more deflecting please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,135 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    NOBODY is changing the name to something it wasn't known as.

    Do you understand what the 'Bi' in Bi-lingual means?

    I am not getting into discussing a band's comment on this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 718 ✭✭✭myfreespirit


    In 2125 (as per the thread original subject), this argument will be entirely irrelevant because what today constitutes the territory called 'Northern Ireland' will have long been consigned to the dustbin of history. Street signage will probably be bilingual all over Ireland, and Belfast or any other town in Ulster will look exactly the same as street signs in Connaught, Munster or Leinster.

    IMHO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    The analogy was that you have one name and it is wrong to change it because you're surrounded by people who speak a different language. The irish names were here first so should never have been changed when they were a few hundred years ago by the anaology. Nobody today was alive when the they changed the names a few hundred year.

    And your last paragraph shoots yourself in the foot again. In the analogy the name peter should not be changed to peadar because peter was surrounded by 85% irish speakers. Then the original place names in irish should not have been changed even of 85% of the people are english speakers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,845 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Please do us all a favour, buy a dictionary and look up 'metaphorical' . Metaphorically, yes, every word of irish IS a bullet for Irish freedom as its reversing one of the first things the invaders did, which was destroy the irish language. Did you really need that explained to you? really?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,638 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    So you agree with kneecap " every word of Irish is a bullet for Irish Freedom" and you agree with placing it in places where only 15% of the residents want it. If 85% of the residents do not want it the only reason for placing it there is to taunt people - it is not to make places easier to find, which is the purpose of a sign.

    How can you condone taunting now when you have the cheek to try to tell us there would be no taunting of minorities in a U.I.?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,135 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I agree with the democratic decision of a majority of democratically elected representatives.

    You want a veto for those who fail to get a democratic majority and think angle grinder wielding thugs are the answer to that inability and the lack of a supremacist veto.



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