Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

The last election was less than 12 months ago, how did the far right do?

she could have got signatures from other Oireachtas members that were not FG , so that is not an accurate representation of what happened. Realistically, FG or any party is not obligated to assist an opponent in any election.

Maybe the rules need to changed for who is nominated but it is poor player that blames the established rules.

She could have got votes from other parties, independents. Blame all parties then. At the end of the day , Maria Steen just didnt meet the entry requirements.

You may not be blaming established rules but I think both Steen and McGregor were.

I dont have an issue with what FG did just pointing but she could have got the two votes from non FG sources. Blaming FG over nay other party just makes no sense. Might as well blame SF for not supplying the two votes

FG policy removed it though, no other party did that. So only natural to single them out on this issue imo.

Given that there are only a handful of routes to Ireland from Africa and a lot of other places, maybe the policy should change - send them back to their last outgoing port if they arrive with no docs

If migration is so great then why have Poland and Hungary refused to take any, the answer is their people dont want them as they have seen the imported problems that Sweden is now experiencing, I have no problem with genuine refugees who have documents etc or even families coming but putting groups of men into IPAS centers together is a pure disaster and due to nature they will crave intimacy and have no respect for women or god forbid kids in the city west attack a few days ago and they will act out their urges

They can’t get on a plane with no documents. Even though they arrive here claiming they’ve no documents.

I'd make a small adjustment to your post. I've no problem with a very small number of genuine refugees coming here.

Other countries to analysis are Denmark and especially Estonia who somehow haven't collapsed by not making 40% of their country foreigners or imported thousands of health professionals to prevent a health care collapse.

I guess when you import so many foreigners you also need to import extra health care workers.

If I hear the argument of Ireland's population pre-famine again as a justification for unfettered immigration I'll scream.

Yes, there were 8.5 million people living on this island in the early 1840s. Most of whom were destitute paupers living in hovels of cottages with their animals, living in a state of near constant starvation, riddled by easily treatable disease and ultimately who were reliant on growing a single crop on tiny rented plots where the threat of eviction constantly loomed. It was existence, not living, and a miserable existence at that.

How people ignore that context when presenting such a facile argument is beyond me.

I am not defending the 1951 Treaty.

I am simply stating that it is what politicans are referring to when they mention "international obligations".

I would deport bogus AS within 24hrs of arrival, even if it goes against this Treaty.

It was written in a different age.

It was written when many future source countries were part of European colonial empires, which did restrict migration to Europe. It does not reflect todays world.

The British Nationality Act 1948 did on paper allow freedom of movement, but in practice few migrated from Africa as they couldn't afford to and at first it was mostly applied in Asia rather than Africa.

And India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and the British and French Mandates were only recently independent since 1949 and some places like Aden still weren't until the 1960s.

I think many countries in the Global South support the convention in part because down the road it leads to remittances being sent home.

A second reason is to influence in our elections. I mean their governments. Erdogan campaigned in Germany for votes in the Turkish election. Also historically Turkey encouraged Turks in Germany to vote for the SPD due to its support for EU membership. We saw with the Al Halawa case how we are being dragged into other countries (Egypt) politics sometimes too.