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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,571 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I have cousins in rural Galway who fox hunt. Would hardly call them “rich”. And they are real animal lovers 9 dogs three cats. It is not unusual to find them nursing a sick lamb in the house. On one occasion I remember a dog walking in circles around the kitchen minding a little yellow chick. So there is a dichotomy there. But I always feel that rural people are more in tune with “the circle of life” than the Jackeens are for example.
    It always makes me laugh when people use the word “humanly” in relation to animals. They are animals not human!

    I am a Dub but I don’t have strong feelings on fox hunting either way. In my experiences it is normally Green Party/Urban Dublin types that are strongly against fox hunting, greyhound racing, horse racing etc.

    There are lobby groups against all these pursuits that use the opinion page of a local Dublin free paper, constantly

    The fox hunting issue has no impact on my vote whatsoever. As other posters said it is not something the President can change. However rhetoric on the EU other nations etc can be moderated or vocalised as POI.

    Post edited by gormdubhgorm on

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,693 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I don't think Connolly is as anti-EU as she's made out to be in the media. Some would have you believe if she's voted in as our next president that it's our first step towards an Irexit. Nothing could be further from the truth. Yes, the EU has issues, no doubt, but we are the EU and we have the power to change it.

    I remember when the water charges issue was at the fore a few years back and FG were towing the line "the EU are making us introduce these charges" where in reality the EU didn't give a f**k what we did. That was effectively FG building criticism of the EU and now they have to put up with anti-EU rhetoric, what were they expecting?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,091 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Poor Fionnán Sheahan and Alison O'Connor on RTE very frustrated with CC....lovely to see...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,182 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    It would have been interesting to see how someone like Peter Casey might have benefited from the incident in Citywest yesterday evening if he had been running this time around. I wonder if Maria Steen would have leaned into it had she been on the ballot?

    For all the blandness of the two candidates, there could be a lot worse options on there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,571 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I think the opposite Connolly is more anti-EU than she is letting on. Playing it cute when questioned, buying time. Reluctant to give yes/no answers.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,561 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Truth is the job only appeals to a few aging politicians or those with agendas to further.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,586 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    I would have been interested for CC to be presented with the same question as HH the opposite way - what have you praised the EU for in the past, specifically.

    I think we're overwhelmingly pro-EU as a nation and I agree that her election will have nothing to do with changing that

    But it's also possible that being in government/opposition is what's affecting this for both candidates - HH will only have pro-EU soundbites if you go back because she toed the party line as minister. CC will only have anti-EU soundbites because she's been in opposition against the government.

    I would genuinely have liked to hear her answer to a question about the positives she sees from EU membership

    Overall I was disappointed to hear CC complain about interruptions (think it happened twice) - it was supposed to be a debate not an interview. Very little debate actually happened. We all heard these questions before and each was tailored to each candidate to answer individually, I think there would be merit in an actual debate where the same question is asked to both, each get 1min on an answer and then 2mins to debate/come back on points raised by the other.

    But that's for another day. I think there's going to be no desire from any sides to ever have a field this small again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,170 ✭✭✭Field east


    A good speaker does not GUARANTEE a good president. I will not be voting for CC for the following reasons :- REASON no a(1)

    With regards to representing Ireland overseas and receiving dignitaries from overseas the individuals see her as

    • an associate of Wallace and Daly - on same team that went to Syria, Wallace. Escorting her at the Ploughing event
    • Someone who voted against all the EU referenda,
    • Someone who was on the Brexit side because it gave the EU a ‘kick in the teeth’
    • Someone who on the one hand represented banks on cases where they were trying to get repositions of family homes but when she got into politics she lambasted banks for doing exactly that.
      She could have come up with plenty of reasons why she could not accede to the banks request. She still did not answer the simple question last night. As Pat Kenny said ‘ I take that as a yes’. Talking about evading answering a question she made a ‘dogs dinner’ of it
    • someone who employed /brought into the Dail buildings on a daily basis a person who has a criminal record on issues that would give serious concerns about the safety of the state , the peace process in NI, bank security , security of other institutions, kidknappings, etc, etc, etc. CC NEVER answered the question ‘ did you not ask her what she was doing with all the guns, etc, in her possession. She argued the the lady is now totally REHABILITATED and therefor will NEVER do anything like it again so the state/Dail should feel TOTALLY secure with her walking around the Dail. If you believe that then ‘I have a bridge to sell you’


    So my point re all of the above is what will these dignitaries ‘SEE ‘ in front of them if she becomes president and therefor how will they ‘approachA’ her as against meeting with HH if she becomes president.
    I think people get ‘on better’ where the circumstances are LARGELY devoid of adversary. Diplomats need to , IDEALLY, GET ON WELL. Need only look at Trump and Putin -good. And look at Trump and Zalenskys- bad. Remember Haughty and Tatcher

    I’d say that CC attitude towards the EU, her comments on Germany, position on Brexit, etc, etc, have gone viral internationally and all of these dignitaries referred to above , and their researchers, are in frequent contact and ‘ share notes’ when required


    Reason no (2)

    A leopard does not change its spots. CC has a plethora of leftist , populist, radical , etc, views. This would include strong views on some government actions /behaviour or the lack of needed actions in her mind. The president is obliged to run by Gov statements he/ she is thinking on making and have the Gov imprimatur on them. CC has come across in all interviews as a very strong willed and a VERy INDEPENDANT person and who gives the impression that she is always right. She did not show a glint of regret the hiring of Ms Shannon or even suggest that she could see why other people might have some serious concerns. She came across as very inflexible


    so, following on from the above I would be very concerned that her views WOULD BE AIRED at every opportunity and which could cause some discomfort for the national or even government which I think would be very ‘disappointing’ . All governments have enough to be grappling with and do not need to be in a constant argy Barry with its president

    And finally I think that HH WOULD BE THE SAFER PAIR OF HANDS



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,960 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    that's pretty much her answers to everything, i dont think we really know what CC stands for (or HH for that matter although as a long standing member of a party that's a starting point)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Beaker is a good journo. Alison O'Connor is a commentator. What has been significant about this election is the way that the legacy media has been, based on the opinion polls, ignored by the electorate. Social Media seems to have completely replaced print legacy media in this election. In getting the Gavin story and Gavin's withdrawal from the race, the Indo may have accidentally torpedoed the Humphreys campaign as well because the transfers from Gavin on which Humphreys depended may not happen because FF voters may not vote.

    Regards…jmcc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    A bigger issue are those that object to the culling of deer.

    They are now becoming a pest in Killarney National Park and in the Wicklow mountains, being responsible for widespread destruction of young trees and damaging the ecology. They have no natural predators, are overfeeding, yet we are told by animal rights groups that to cull them is wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,693 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I'd be more worried if she did give yes/no answers to questions as complex as the ones she was asked. She's not a 3 or 4 buzz word candidate like Boris Johnson or Donald Trump, she's an intellectual and describes her answers such that you can understand where she is coming from with her answers. If she was more anti-EU you'd know about it

    That's RTE again, they want to paint the picture of CC being anti-EU. They know that if she was pressed to speak of what she considers 'good' about the EU that she'd have given a very good answer and really blown HH out of the water

    Correct, we are pro-EU as a nation and the president, whoever she is, will respect that. Connolly went so far as to say she would meet with Donald Trump if required to which I felt was very dignified knowing how she feels about him

    It will be quite interesting just to see what turnout we get, 2011 was 56.1% and 2018 was 43.9%. Now with just 2 candidates I expect the turnout to be lower. I know there are many within FF and camp Maria Steen who won't be voting

    Coincidentally I know some FF members who will be voting for CC simply because she's not the FG candidate, interesting that those lines still exist I think



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,561 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Having two similar threads going on the same election is somewhat appropriate when we have two women candidates with alliterate first and second names running for a largely ceremonial office.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,738 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    They know that if she was pressed to speak of what she considers 'good' about the EU that she'd have given a very good answer and really blown HH out of the water

    If this was true, there would surely be some evidence anywhere of her just once saying something positive about the EU. But there doesnt seem to be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 ✭✭Greengrass53


    Fox hunting is UNNESSESSARY cruelty .That's the only point here. Foxes can be culled humanely it's not necessary to have them torn apart by a pack of dogs for people's amusement. Surely you can understand this simple fact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,777 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    The word is "humanely" not "humanly".

    And the idea that because animals are not human they should not be treated humanely is absurd.

    Ironically many animals wouldn't hunt for sport but only for necessity - fox hunting is anything but. It is cruelty dressed up as tradition (British tradition BTW), an exercise in cruelty that serves no purpose other than to entertain people who like seeing foxes pulled limb from limb.

    Its no different from hare coursing - if your galway cousins aren't rich and they fox hunt then maybe they're of the same culture who think hare coursing is great craic boss.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,288 ✭✭✭Archduke Franz Ferdinand


    Alison O’Connors spends her every waking moment it seems pontificating on some panel of other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Yea i would agree with you on this. We have a limited amount of attention, and Fox Hunting policy is not going to be a consideration for me in this election, or any election if i am being honest. If you handed me a vote on it, I would probably vote to ban or limit it. But i will not refuse to vote for a candidate in a General or Local/European election, based on their position for fox hunting. Personally i dont like it, but i frequently get into arguments with people over my coarse fishing hobby, and love of horse racing. Depending on who you ask, these hobbys and interests are either 'traditional' or 'cruel and unusual'.

    Again I wouldnt disagree with you. But its not an issue i would campaign for or against. If you hand me a vote on it, i would reduce, or be open to a ban. But i do wonder what will be next going down this line - fishing? Horse racing? Greyhound Racing? All of these sports have been attacked by various groups for decades.

    Yes im mostly on the same page here. Its a difficult choice for me because, although agreeing with you on the reasons to oppose Connolly, the alternative is a very poor candidate. Perhaps a safer pair of hands, i would agree with you there too.

    But the smear on Connolly RE her time as a barrister, and whether or not she represented the banks in repossession cases. This has soured my already tepid opinion of HH. You seem to take this as a real consideration in how you view CC. Where as for me, I think it was an unwarranted smear. Barristers take the cases they are given, unless there is a serious conflict of interest. Iv argued for weeks that the Eirigi story, or coverage on her syria trip, do not represent smears. They are stories which I believe should be covered.

    But the Barrister/Repo Story, is actually a smear in my opinion. And it stains HH in my view. I was already struggling to accept that, even though im a lefty, i would have to vote for FG on this occasion. Now, im giving serious consideration to spoiling my vote, or just voting Gavin. I cant vote for CC for all of the reasons you have outlined, but I struggle to support HH after this smear.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,438 ✭✭✭almostover


    1st of Novemeber is coming up soon. If in fact the OP was reared in rural Ireland I'd assume they know the significance of that date.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,438 ✭✭✭almostover


    I don't fully agree that the barrister angle is a smear.

    I fully agree that CC was obliged by the code of practice for barristers to take those cases. That isn't my issue with it. My issue is her having done so and then speaking out in Galway CC and in the Dáil vehemently opposing the repossessions of homes by the banks. She was running with the hare and chasing with the hounds if you'll pardon the rather apt pun. That's where she should have been challenged, on the hypocrisy of her stance on home repossessions in her role as a public representative given her employment history. Not the fact that she took the cases in the first place.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,762 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    "The fox hunting issue has no impact on my vote whatsoever. As other posters said it is not something the President can change."

    Well it certainly has an impact on my vote. The President can voice their opinion on it, and I won't be supporting Heather Humphreys who calls it a "rural pursuit" and a "tradition". As I said last night, it's a rancid British tradition.

    Foxes, if they're being a pest can be killed humanely. I think there's something wrong in the head with the people who get enjoyment out of tormenting an animal, and it being slaughtered in a most barbaric way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I thought it was hilarious to watch the 'barrister' issue fizzle out in front of our eyes last night. Humphreys just doesn't have the heft or debating skills for an argument like that, faced with the detail she collapsed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,851 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yeah Heather thought she'd make hay on it last night and got absolutely slam dunked. I'd say Miriam was even smirking when Connolly used her brother's statement to absolutely quash the Fine Gael "argument". People will see it as a blatant smear, plain and simple. And it was. They will also welcome having a barrister as president. FG set Humphreys up to fail on that one. She tried to save herself by point to the social media campaign against her which Connolly has no control of.

    Does anyone know who the Fine Gael campaign manager is? If nobody knows, it must be Harris himself.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Its different for me. Assuming its true that she represented banks in Repo cases, while simultaneously attacked repossessions in GCC and the Dail - this is a positive mark in my book.

    • She is able to compartmentalize her personal feelings, with a job she must do. Which is a good quality to have, especially as President
    • It makes her condemnation of repossessions all the more valid. She was, as a barrister, obliged to be part of a process she abhors

    More than the above though, I genuinely dont view this story as a valid move on the part of HH or FG. I posted my reasoning yesterday, and il include it below

    The rules for barristers are in place, in order to ensure that anyone and everyone, will receive legal representation. The exceptions are only meant for obviously extenuating circumstances, and conflicts of interest.

    If a barrister receives a case to deal with, and that case concerns a violent thief, they must take the case. An exception could be warranted if, for example, they were related to one of the victims of said thief. Then there would be grounds for the barrister to seek permission to hand off the client to someone else.

    If it were possible for barristers to pick and choose clients based on personal taste, or sincerely held beliefs, the system falls apart. You can easily imagine a horrendous criminal, who has committed gross acts, publically, leaving little doubt as to their guilt. You cannot allow a situation where barristers can refuse to handle the case. If it were simple for barristers to pick and choose cases, then who ever does inevitably take on this client will be smeared by association. Which could then lead to more situations where barristers would have to weigh whether or not to accept clients, based on public perception. It creates a huge conflict of interest.

    I stand by my opinion on this story, and for me, it is a serious smear. It drags our legal system into a presidential election. It represents no hypocrisy on the part of anyone, other than FG and HH. It reeks of desperation.

    And another thing - When a practicing barrister stands in a future election in this counrty - are we now entitled to enquire as to who they represented in the past? Should we be presented with this list, for our consideration? Should the media take note of which criminal/group is represented by whom, so that in future elections, we can relitigate cases in public?

    What the hell does this have to do with a persons candidacy?

    This is/was a desperate move on the part of Harris and HH, and FG more broadly. Rather then end a lousy campaign with some dignity, they have launched this pointless attack on CC. Its shameful in my opinion.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,275 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    So when a barrister is obligated to take on a defend someone accused or murder, they can no longer criticise murder rates as a whole in society, or campaign to reduce murder rates?

    Can you not see one is a job, with obligations, integrity and professionalism, while the other is her own personal, and to be an expected view, for any normal person.

    I can't believe FFGHH thought this could work in the first place, and I see it as a huge shot in the foot (which may in fact be a rural pursuit)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Probably the last poll of the election. I have heard a few people say there will not be an exit poll, so this is the last indication we will get before the result on Saturday

    A 15%+ gap between CC and Humphreys at this point would pretty much wrap it up in my view. Personally, I wouldnt be surprised if the gap has widened.

    And unless Gavin Protest bloc gains a lot, then i dont see there being a need for a second count.

    Interesting to see where this one lands! roll on 8OC i guess!

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,693 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    While polls have historically been fairly accurate in the past I am personally reluctant to trust them… Especially if there's a significant gap shown tonight the Connolly support base might decide that the effort of voting isn't required. College students especially would make up a significant portion of her voter base and Fridays are their "going home" days or "part-time-work-nights" for many

    The other side then is that a swing for Humphries could gain momentum



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,571 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I was in the gym this morning. Had a chat with a random fella in the steam room. Seemed like a reasonable fella. He asked me what I thought of the election. I said not much choice.
    He was very pro Connolly said she was very impressive. Said Connolly “wiped the floor” with HH in the last debate. Said HH is trying to smear Connolly. Mentioned the barrister work Issue I agreed on that point, I pointed though out Connolly never answers a direct question, after he said she has answered the same questions over and over.

    I mentioned how Anti- EU Connolly is would have been a better focus. But yer man didn’t see Connolly as anti EU at all. Thought Humphreys was negative nothing positive about her. Mentioned the Irish language and Fox Hunting.

    Interestingly like myself, he admitted he never heard of Connolly before she ran.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I agree that there should be client-barrister confidentiality. But I don't think barristers should be obliged to take on clients they fundamentally disagree with on an issue like repossessions.

    Also I do think that the issue is not so much that, as the contrast with her denunciations of the banks in the Dáil.

    Also there are a few exceptions to the Cab Rank rule.



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