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Northern Ireland 2125?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,141 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The angle grinder won a battle but lost the war.

    Signs will continue to go up all over Belfast and beyond, city/town, local authority branding will change to reflect the rich history of Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,642 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    So you are admitting now you made up the lie that someone used an angle grinder to threaten the public?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,141 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    No, they 'took an angle grinder to it AND threatened the public'.

    I know you think you have an out from answering this

    What 'rights' of a million Unionists have SF; after democratic agreements among democratically elected representatives, continually blocked, used the Petition Of Concern against (abused it) and the Call-In mechanism against or taken an angle grinder to and threatened the public?

    That is just for a start, we can move on to the supremacist shennanagins over the Protocol and the attempt to block the will of over 500 elected MP's in the Parliament they are supposed to be loyal to, and the threats to life and property arising out of their inability to accept democratic decisions.

    - you are, as usual, as transparent as a newly washed window.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,642 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Have you a link to where anyone says the public were threatened - presumably by the person with the "chainsaw" as you earlier called it but you have backed down and just accept it was an angle grinder now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,642 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Would not be surprised if Lidl up north is now sold out of angle grinders in anticipation, and to remove, the next bullets for Irish Freedom erected at taxpayers expense in PUL areas against the wishes of most residents:🤣

    Lidl could always market them a bit better, in red white and blue packaging, and with the logo "buy one, or your children may be forced to learn Irish". Belfast council already has plans to have Irish on vans and uniforms.

    If they are pushed a bit more, I can see someone encouraging them, c'mon lads, your ancestors built the Titanic, can you not even take down a few hundred republican signs, fenian signs hi😀?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    That is nasty triumphalism typical of belligerent republicans who don't understand they are turning people off a united Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,141 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It's a statement of fact.
    What would you call this BTW?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,141 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    You always quote a line from the GFA, that says both the irish and british culture should be cherished.

    How can anyone who believes in that line not support the irish language. Or is that line only used by you to support all the british cultures you will want in a UI. You also called yourself an irish nationalist too recently.

    You're the most disingenuous user on the whole of boards.ie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,642 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    I read a few items about it, it is not very noteworthy news as republicans have destroyed hundreds of Londonderry signs, Welcome to Northern Ireland etc signs over the years, and I did not come across anyone saying someone was threatened in the latest sign incident.

    Plus plenty of people on social media saying it was the most predictable "crime" ever, how the psni have sealed off the crime scene etc.

    That is why I asked you to back up your claim, you made it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I support Irish language on signs where appropriate, but I also support Londonderry as the democratic name, welcome to Northern Ireland as an appropriate sign, so I am not in the least disingenuous, unlike some others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,218 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    Care to point me to the democratic mandate for Londonderry over Derry, Blanch? Certainly not in Derry in recent memory.

    I'm not insecure enough to be troubled by people referring to it as either, and I certainly wouldn't agree with those who vandalise road signs to remove the London part......yourself and your cohorts playing down the activities in Belfast seem to think that's fair game though and apparently we shouldn't have signs saying Londonderry throughout most of that county.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,141 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    who vandalise road signs to remove the London part

    No videos of your hero's having a laugh about it or Lidl ads for aerosols?

    You disappoint Fionn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Whether there's a UI in the near future depends on NI voters, particularly those who are neither avowed Republicans or Unionists, deciding that their interests lie with a politically united island rather than remaining in the UK.

    There are 'push-pull' factors at play like improved educational and health services on offer in each jurisdiction.

    IMO SF, if they get into power in the Republic, would be better off concentrating on maintaining a strong economy while making basic services better, than designing new flags or pushing the Irish language.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,141 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    A single government party will not be deciding on a flag and anthem in a UI.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    SF are in power in N.I and you are right, they would be better off "maintaining a strong economy while making basic services better" rather than pushing the Irish language and causing division. The NHS in N.I. has got worse on S.F.'s watch, Lough Neagh was never worse etc.

    The problem with socialists is that they eventually run out of other people's money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,141 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    SF are in a mandatory coalition. They are not solely 'in power'. The Health Minister since 2020 has been a Unionist and 1 SF minister held the post since 2007 for less than a year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭Kiteview


    That’s not really the point though, is it?

    Since we officially recognised three languages in the Belfast Agreement, it follows that bi- or tri-lingual signs should also be put up in Ulster-Scots if they are putting them up in Irish.

    And my question was how many signs are there with Ulster-Scots in either jurisdiction on the island?

    Offhand, I don’t know of any in the Republic even in areas where Ulster-Scots was or is spoken.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    When republicans are pushing Irish language signs in unionist areas of East Belfast they in power. Any partners in coalition are bullied. Minorities are bullied. Alliance are changing their mind on Irish language signs now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    The name of a place is the name of a place. No need to waste money on translation.

    If I am wearing a uniform with my name on a badge, I do not need my name in 2 or 3 f***ing languages.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,141 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nonsense. If they could do that on IL they could do it on anything.

    Helps you try to handwave away a democratic majority though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    If you belive irish and british culture should be cherished you would support irish as well english on signs. Its disingenuous to say you belive irish should be cherished and then say that it shouldnt be on sign posts because bigots cant handle it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    this is just nonsense.
    it suggests that you can’t say British identity should be cherished, while at the same time making a very sensible argument that a union flag should not be placed at the entrance to every predominantly nationalist street.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    this is an excellent listen. A very civilised and comprehensive debate on Irish unity.
    I was surprised how easy a win it was for unionism. It’s shifted my position from not engaging in united Irish discussions. Unionism should be super-confident entering discussions on UI v UK.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002l25d



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    False equivalence. The argument would be that a British flag and an irish flag would have to be put on every public street in the jurisdiction or else both cultures are not being cherished. Is there any jurisdiction in the world that puts flags on every public street in its jurisdiction. That is a stupid argument to make as the British flag is not put on every street in Britain nor the irish flag but on every public street in the Republic. However both Britain and the Republic do have dual signage in its jurisdictions. See the difference?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    Rubbish. Ireland is represented on the union flag already with St. Patricks saltire / St Patricks cross. It would be silly having two flags as the Irish flag is the flag of a different jurisdiction. If you are confused about which jurisdiction you are in, ask yourself which government is responsible for collecting taxes, giving out social welfare, pensions etc there. I think it is the UK.

    There is nothing in the GFA about Irish language having to be on signs, uniforms, vans and then of course all government publications, literature etc. The EU has to employ about 200 Irish language staff - translators, editors etc - translating stuff in to Irish that will never be read in English, never mind Irish. What a waste. They should be put to work doing productive work instead.

    Republicans just want Irish signs in unionist areas not for linguistic reasons . not for practical reasons to give people directions - the purpose of a sign after all - but to taunt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,406 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    You're missing the point, itsacoolday. The point is that roads don't have to be festooned with flags at all, so the question of what nations, cultures or whatever should be represented on the flags the local authority puts up on the roads simply doesn't arise — the local authority, quite rightly, doesn't put up any flags. But roads do need road signs, and the local authority does put them up, so the question of what should be on the road signs in light of the principle of parity of esteem for the identity, ethos and aspiration of both communities (which is repeatedly referenced in the GFA) does arise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,141 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Is this 'the money would be better spent on ________________ policy going to be rolled out generally or does it just get deployed in typical unionist/partitionist fashion when it comes to things you hate?

    Would the money given to the bands culture (up to 10,000 per band) not be better spent on health?

    Would the 2million Dublin gave to the Orange Order be better spent on something else?

    What about the 4m the Orange Order got from the EU to fund museum's etc?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    It would be silly having any legislation for flags on every public street. It not irish nor British culture so you cant be accused of not cherishing either cultures if you dont.

    Moot point about the flag too. The fact is many see the tricolour as a symbol that best represents thier irish identity. You cant tell others people what symbils they should identify with.

    The GFA does say that both the irish and british culture has to be cherished. So having signs in both english and irish would seem compatible with this. Not having either english or irish wouldn't tho.



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