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Who actually wants the Dublin Airport passenger cap abolished?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,914 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    You're seriously clutching at straws here.

    How many "rage incidents" have occurred on the roads that lead to fatalities?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭CardF


    Ok, if you want to keep replying about this pedantic nothing-burger then its on you.

    You can absolutely say what I responded to you with. Infer being a synonym of conclude, deduce. Go back and try again, just use 'deduce'.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    You cannot deduce something from your own posts, though, unless you're suffering from schizophrenia. You already know what you mean. How can you possibly deduce something that you already know. Other people can deduce it, because you implied it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭CardF


    rage or speed. frustrated drivers do tend to speed. and congestion is most prevalent during rush hour. it would be most irresponsible to add more traffic to an already overburdened motorway, the country's busiest, and id guess most accident prone already.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭CardF


    Of course you can conclude something mid thought/sentence. Or to yourself. I think the best way to … actually I think we're done here.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    Good man. Looks like you deduced how in the wrong you are in mid-sentence and have decided to do a runner instead of admitting it.

    More indications that you are not a poster to be taken seriously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭CardF


    i admitted jumbling up that one sentence. build a bridge.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    You didn't jumble anything. You used the wrong verb, then threw your toys out of the pram when it was politely pointed out to you and you refused to accept it.

    You're still refusing to do so. It ain't me that needs to come to terms with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭CardF


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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,278 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    So after several pages of to & fro crap, maybe tell us what exactly you did intend to mean?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭CardF




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Metrolink will address a lot of the extra demand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    Occam's razor. I didn't, I inferred the meaning because the rest of your post implied it. If you really meant to use the word 'infer', then it's the entire rest of the sentence that is incorrect. It's much, much more likely that you mixed up the two words and are too ashamed to admit it than it is likely that you actually fcuked up every other word in your post.

    I also stated outright what I thought you meant and asked you if that was correct, and you failed to correct it in the 4 or 5 posts since. I inferred that I was taking you up right from that interaction (or lack thereof) also.

    If you intended to make a completely garbled statement, then I guess you succeeded, but we all know you didn't.

    Your corrections don't make any sense. Replacing 'infer' with deduced or concluded also doesn't make the sentence any clearer, in fact it's even worse. I deduced your meaning, using the rest of the words for context, which is a correct use of the word deduce.

    And it wasn't just me. Other posters have said the same. If we're all taking you up wrong, it's not our fault, it's yours.

    It's like when two people are on the same wavelength and they keep finishing each other's s__________. Everyone knows the missing word is supposed to be sentences, but you're sitting there with a straight face telling the rest of us it's supposed to 'sandwiches'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    It's clear what he meant.

    He's blue in the face pretending that he meant something else entirely, because Mellor pulled him up on it, instead of just admitting that he picked the wrong word when he tried to sound smart[er] earlier.

    Instead of acknowledging this, we've been on the merry go-round for two pages.

    Like I said earlier, someone who is so entrenched and who refuses to yield an inch when they are so clearly and plainly in the wrong is not someone who should be held in high regard and everything they say, on any subject, should be treated accordingly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭CardF


    Occam's razor. Probability vs first hand knowledge.

    You'll eventually get it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    That has nothing to do with Occam's Razor. That's not what it means, even remotely.

    If you're gonna keep butchering words and phrases we'll be here all night.

    I mean, if you want to keep digging instead of climbing out of this hole you've ended up in, you could spell out what you meant, exactly, in simple unambiguous terms, to prove us all wrong. Couldn't you? Yes, of course you could. Will you, though?

    Prediction: you will in your hole, you'll sit there pretending that you've clarified everything as simply as you could already and it's everyone else's fault that the messenger was misunderstood, not the fact that the message was written by a blind epileptic in the middle of a seizure. Purely to masquerade the fact that you tried to use a clever word, made a balls of it, then pretended that was what you meant all along.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭CardF


    You're depending on probability (occam) while Im depending on first hand knowledge.

    Lord.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    I'm depending on your words, and what you're saying. I don't have anything else to go on.

    Your first hand knowledge of what you're trying to say is in direct contradiction of what you did actually say and are continuing to say, even up to this point.

    Either you mixed up two words that are a) easily confused and b) commonly used by people who are pretending to be smarter than they really are…………or you used the word 'infer' correctly and the entire rest of your sentence was the mistake.

    Either one word is wrong (infer), or every other word in that sentence is wrong and needs to be replaced, and instead of admitting that, you're doubling and trebling down, pretending that words have meanings different to what everyone else thinks they mean, which just so happens to be the exact same meaning as another word that would fit in the context.

    I know which is more likely……….

    My prediction came true, btw, which makes it even more likely.

    I'd bet serious money I'm right and you're just too pigheaded to admit that you effed up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭CardF


    No. Thats all wrong. Its strange to be so wound up over a typo.

    Also theres no need for language like "a blind epileptic in the middle of a seizure."

    Thats insulting and most unsympathetic to those with epilepsy. And its off topic.

    Lets get back to talking about the airport cap.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    1. I'm not wound up in the slightest over a typo. I'm not wound up at all. That's you, pretending I am, to cheapen my argument. "Playing the man, not the ball", is a common tactic across Boards from people who are losing the argument.
    2. You are so desperate to distract from the fact that you made such a balls of it, you're now feigning outrage, going back through posts to find something that you can ping me on. Another sad attempt at attacking the poster, not the post. "Look everyone, he's making disparaging comments about the differently-abled, let's all ignore the fact that he's right about me"
    3. And, just to confirm all of the above, you're now pretending that you want to get back on topic and get away from all this nasty stuff where you made a holy show of both yourself and your tenuous grasp on the English language.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭CardF


    We're never joining nato. 😁



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 22,542 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Mod - @CardF and @Yeah Right, take the bickering to PM.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,871 ✭✭✭SeanW


    The only regulation we've had on off license hours has had nothing whatsoever to do with "the greater good" and everything to do with pleasing vested interests (the pub trade). You also didn't explain why you chose a particular figure as "the goal" nor explained why Ireland should continue to repeat the mistakes of the 20th century.

    The environment doesn't give two fiddles about Ireland. China alone emits almost as much greenhouse gas as the rest of the world combined, their emissions as well as those of India are likely to continue spiralling upwards as they fall in the West. (-26% in Ireland since 2000)

    Greenhouse gas emissions - Wikipedia

    I find it very difficult to get animated about a few extra flights when Ireland could disappear off the face of the Earth completely and China + India would make up the difference in about two weeks. And BTW many of those talking about climate change have helped to create the problem by convincing Europeans not to make better use of nuclear energy, like France does, along with Sweden, Switzerland, Finland and Ontario in Canada.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭CardF


    actually i, like many others, enjoy not having pssheads roaming around the local village offie in the wee hours. which they would given the chance. so yes, the greater good was served whatever the benefits to the pubs.

    re; the goal. clearly the original concept was to have a successful intl airport which facilitated the air transport needs of the country, so as not to leave us half stranded. And we have that. That has been achieved and then some.

    If that wasnt the original goal then what was? Was it 99.99% of air traffic and limitless flights 24/7 over the most populous county perhaps? Would you like that result, or would you think maybe thats a bit much?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,890 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Sorry, I mixed you up with kahooters who denied any upgrades happened, you had said:

    the m50 sure hasn't been upgraded enough since its above capacity. yes assess the noise, that will make it go away, hmmm its noisy - oh well all done here.

    The capacity of the M50 (and roads serving the airport) was 50% less in 2007, given they were overcapacity (at rush hours) at that time and the cap was set at 32M based on the roads, a 50% increase in road capacity (there has actually been more) allows the airport to grow to at least 48M based on the same criteria.

    If you allowed more night time flights, the capacity is even more and only limited by terminals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,890 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    It hasn't been achieved as demand for Dublin airport is continuing to grow, as time goes on, population growth will mean demand at other airports will cause expansion there while Dublin continues to expand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭CardF


    It has been achieved, rare exceptions aside in terms of the essential the job is long done. Demand is chiefly from want and preference now.

    DUB is the 13th busiest airport in Europe, while our population is only 29th largest. Almost 30% of the population live in Dublin. We should be trying to keep that % down, not growing and concentrating it, when its Europes 3rd most congested city.

    Recently we had some unusual incidents within a short period which stalled operations at DUB. Ransomware, and a security issue. Around the same time Denmark and Norway had suspicious drone related incidents and UK suffered some disruption too. Having high dependence (85-95%) on 1 point is not a good idea when such incidents are proven to occur.

    We should call DUB a win, a resounding success, and content ourselves with such a result. Then move on and do the same again for the underdeveloped airports. Rather than doing an Icarus. What do we actually need yet more of in that airpor?. What exactly are we wanting for? Thats so essential that it justifies all the downsides.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,890 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Shannon exists as a backup with its long runway, hence it's use as a frrquent military stopover.

    You don't run another airport as "backup" for demand, that's utterly nonsensical, backup is used for flight emergencies, we mostly divert to Manchester, Liverpool, Belfast or Shannon.

    As population grows, so will demand, infrastructure doesn't "stop" being built, you don't achieve use and then stop expanding buses or trains. This line of argument is getting more and more bizarre.

    "call DUB a win"

    Luas is done as well, housing, all occupied, another win, let's move on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭CardF


    Shannon as a backup? And what do you do about departures with a full terminal standing round.

    You dont need a plan B as badly if traffic is at least somewhat reasonably dispersed. If you could even just split it somewhat normally like 70/30 thats at least a bit less dire. 70% of eggs in 1 basket.

    Yes, know when to be content and move on, DUB is disproportionately busy for the population size. Stop watering the 1 giant plant. If you want to live in a country with other options. Like most people in the civilized world do.

    10 luas lines and 90% of all new houses in a sprawling Dublin which stretches into westmeath. 90% of the population in one metropolis.

    Just 1 fat piglet who can suckle the most because he can push the hardest because he can suckle the most because he can push the hardest, and a dying litter. Let give him more.

    No moderation, no greater picture. But at least you get … well nothing really.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,130 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    That should still be imply. You do not infer your own statements, or infer another meaning. You imply. Switch it to conclude doesn't work either.
    Unless you are trying to say you didn't know what you meant and only inferred your only meaning multiple posts later when you re-read it.

    It's was a throwaway comment about a garbled point, but the fact you digging on this, and doing so while insulting others is pretty ironic.

    And have it all done in advance of increased arrivals. (unlikely to happen on schedule).

    The upgrades, as part of the planning application would have to be increased before the cap is raised. You are demonstrating a lack of understanding of the planning process.

    Our ~35m (~90% air traffic) share is more than sufficient.

    35m represents the stage one increase that you are arguing against. You position is more aligned to reducing DUB traffic back to the cap, as there is no capacity for those arrivals - which is disproven by the fact that we've exceed the cap and Dublin hasn't imploded.

    Then move on and do the same again for the underdeveloped airports.

    Where are these underdeveloped airports?

    Shannon has capacity for A 150% increase in flights. Based on its demand, it is significantly over-developed.
    Cork's demand surpassed capacity, and is being further developed.
    Knock and Kerry have plenty of capacity.

    You keep saying that Dublin's share of 90% of flights is enough. Dublin's airport infrastructure is only 72% of the capacity of those 5 airports.

    Saying just increase flights to Knock and Kerry is hilariously myopic.



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