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Random EV Thoughts 2 - The Jimnying

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,414 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Small enough sample size for me i know much more BEV drivers than PHEV, but of those I do know, they are religious about plugging them in. These would be 60/80km real world PHEVs so the owners get the most out of them that they can.

    As I was when I had the early model 530e, but I drove outside its 30/40km range everyday so I got rid of it quickly enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭innrain


    Not surprising as the differential in VRT is 34% from PHEV → Petrol, because the manufacturers simply lie about the true gCO2/km.

    The article published in T&E is an answer to the recent calls from ACEA to postpone stricter rules for calculating gCO2/km. ACEA is trying different methods in amalgamating PHEVs with BEVs as one. T&E is calling PHEVs pollution cheat devices. Nothing new.

    In calculation the WLTP for PHEVs, there is the so called Utility Factor which takes into consideration the ratio of km driven on electric vs petrol. This is due to change to reflect the reality on the roads. Studies done by different parties, even official ones (see the links below) show that statistically, the manufacturers overestimate this UF from around 20% measured, to 80+%. What's also worrying is the fact that this ratio is decreasing on larger batteries PHEVs showing an increase in the emission as the cars are heavier, lugging larger unused batteries. Also if the electric motor is not powerful enough it will always need help from the engine which kinda defeats the purpose. The bottom line is manufacturers claim 1.5l/100km petrol which is very hard to achieve.

    Put this in the context "I'm buying PHEV because I do lots of mileage in a day and I do not want to charge on the way." Fair enough but a Dublin to Cork and back will not burn only 9l of petrol so you're lied by the car maker which in the end cheats the tax system.

    https://climate.ec.europa.eu/news-your-voice/news/first-commission-report-real-world-co2-emissions-cars-and-vans-using-data-board-fuel-consumption-2024-03-18_en

    https://www.transportenvironment.org/articles/plug-in-hybrids-now-emit-five-times-on-average-what-official-tests-claim-eu-data

    https://theicct.org/publication/real-world-phev-use-jun22/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,313 ✭✭✭creedp


    All thats fine but a lot of these phevs do substantial mileage in urban areas so personally I’d prefer phev to diesel in such circumstances. Pumping out a bit of extra co2 on motorways is a least worst outcome IMO



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭sk8board


    if you ignore environmental impact, as most drivers do, the phev is an excellent gateway solution towards BEV. Most people I know charge daily as the running costs matters to them - meanwhile a person I know with a €130k panamera phev has never charged it ever he reckons and is delighted to have €120 tax or whatever it is.

    People buy PHEVs because of concerns over range. If you just want a car to be a car, you don’t want to be messing with journey calculations every time you want to leave the county.

    Meanwhile EVs are getting cheaper, more efficient and better range - and will be a consideration next time around.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,517 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Depends on the PHEV, at the lower end of the market yes, at the higher end people just want an X5 or a range rover or whatever, the PHEV is the cheapest version and usually more powerful than the diesel so its not even really a choice as VRT legislation has pushed them that way.

    As for messing with journey calculations every time you want to leave the county do we really need to continue to propogate that horse manure?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,017 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Reminds me of the time I stopped into a rural petrol (gas) station in northern Massachusetts checking was I on the right road to somewhere (I wasn't). I was told to hang while they got Bob (name may not be correct), "he's been upstate". The implication being that all of the others hadn't.

    The fear to leave one's own county is probably more indicative of the individual than the fuel type.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Seems to be alive and well around here as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,323 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


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    Discovery museum in Newcastle has a cut away Nissan Leaf made in Sunderland, thought it looked pretty cool

    Definitely worth a visit if you're in the city, they've everything from steam engines to wind turbines and solar panels

    The big Challenger 2 tank out the front is also something to behold, wouldn't want to have that pointing the main gun at me 😱

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,409 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I’ll just leave this here. Interesting stat.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,323 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Do you have the source article, I'd be interested in having a read

    One thing to consider about the fires do to a collision, the fire could be caused externally as well. There's a difference between an EV crashing and the battery being damaged enough to catch fire, and an EV and ICE cars crashing, the ICE car catching fire and setting the EV on fire as a result

    Probably going to get even lower as more EVs switch to LFP cells

    This might sound strange, but I'd be worried about fire departments becoming complacent because battery fires are so rare. Although if they can get by with their existing equipment then it's probably safe enough

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,323 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    https://www.electrive.com/2025/10/17/taking-stock-of-cable-theft-in-the-uk/

    Some interesting stats on cable theft, over 200 recorded incidents in the UK in the past 3 years (includes vandalism against chargers so may not be specifically cable theft)

    However 40% of police departments weren't able to provide data on cable theft so the actual numbers are probably higher

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,409 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    EV FireSafe.
    I follow them on LinkedIn.

    Our DFB carry out ongoing training on EV’s. They are aware of HV cut points and use the battery plug to disable EV’s too.

    They are well aware but share concerns on the volume of water required and the risk of re-ignition.

    This was the 12th one. A Model Y, following a high speed crash.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,630 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Tank museum has a few cutaways

    https://youtu.be/iH2-Pf_b1_A?si=lCw1bw_eh9InGJGU



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,630 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Theres 2000+ car fires a year in Ireland. They get plenty of practice. Don't be worried.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,409 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    And 8 ICE car fires a day in Australia so that puts it into perspective for them. And that’s just NSW Fire & Rescue!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,323 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I wouldn't say I'm worried about EV fires frequency, more about the fact that it ties up fire brigade resources for a long time until the fire is completely quenched

    I know in the UK they were talking about having a sort of inflatable swimming pool they'd bring the the site of a fire, set it up and fill it then lift the burning EV in and leave it there

    Although as I think about it, I'm not sure how that works in practice. I can't see it being simpler or safer to use a grabber crane or something to lift the (burning) car into the pool, and presumably there still needs to be a fire engine attending the thing in case the pool fails

    This is to say nothing of what happens when an electric truck goes up in flames

    So yeah, maybe given it isn't going to be that frequent (hopefully) the fire departments will probably be fine with what they have. They might even be overprovisioned as ICE cars begin to phase out, they'll have a lot of equipment across fewer fires

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,630 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    They have new techniques where they pierce the battery pack and put it out faster. In the rare occasions it does happen.

    But they are delayed more by ICE fires because they are so many of them. So logically you should more be concerned about them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    That doesn't enrage via baited headlines however.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭sk8board


    EV fires aren’t really a thing any more with people, I don’t think. A few high profile cases, sure, but in the context of ICE cars, people lose their perspective.

    I think small appliance battery fires did more damage to people’s perception of batteries than anything else - such as the Samsung smartphone fires (that resulted in problems bringing phones on planes for a while!), and more recently the fires to those small Segway-type things that every kid got for Christmas about 2-3 years ago and could go on fire when charging.

    On an aside, AU has almost 21,000,000 private vehicles, of which there as 400,000 EVs, according to a quick google. So it’s a ratio of 50 ICE fires to every 1 EV fire, if we’re comparing apples to apples, but the ICE cars have the disadvantage of being on average far older



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,414 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Was behind an ioniq 9 on way home from work today, holy f**k the brake lights when they are on! The entire back end of the car is lit up

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭JohnySwan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,414 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Nice inside. Not a fan of outside at all myself

    Id have kia ev9 instead of it if I was looking for something in that class



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


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    Considered buying a packet of these. ICE drivers parked at a charger or an EV driver who is parked but not plugged in...guess what you're getting?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,778 ✭✭✭wassie


    €34,995 anyone for a UK imported discontinued vehicle made by a bankrupted manufacturer with buggy software, extremely limited parts availability and zero after market support?

    Someone has taken a serious haircut….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭offalyguy25


    Wasn’t there a couple with a dealer in Fermanagh or somewhere similar recently? Could be one of those, either way you’d need to be getting it a lot cheaper than that price



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,447 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    That someone that took the haircut was most likely in the UK. The dealer selling it here now probably paid £10K-£15K for it and is looking to double their money if they can land an idiot to buy it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,900 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    ICEing is a pain in the arse, but the EV drivers who occupy charging spots without charging are just scumbags, pure and simple



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭sk8board


    it’s bizarrely over priced - a future courtcase for mis-selling waiting to happen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭kuro2k


    Can anyone recommend an independent Ev mechanic in Cork area?
    I will travel so anywhere in Munster is ok also

    I’m looking to get 2019 Kona gear reduction oil change

    Kearys Cork have quoted 300 EUR
    thanks



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 evftw


    Not sure about the courtcase, an old saying about fool and their money comes to mind, but you'd really want to be a fan of Henrik Fisker to spend more than pocket money for one of those. Broken windscreen would write it off due to the lack of parts. I guess the seller is trying to lure in somebody uninformed.



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