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Northern Ireland 2125?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    Alliance are changing their minds now because they know how unfair it is, putting Irish in areas that have only 15% support for it.

    Can you imagine what would have happened if Belfast had introduced a policy that introduced unionist symbolism in signs with only 15% support? There would be an immediate, cross-border and international outcry, accusing unionists of triumphalism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,144 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Belfast/NI is full of Unionist/British symbolism, as is NI and so is here even
    Another whinge with zero substance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭Kiteview


    Out of curiosity, how many bi- or tri-lingual signs have been put up with our third language as officially recognised in the Belfast Agreement?

    (And it is Ulster-Scots in case you aren’t aware)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,406 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    There are bilingual signs, etc, in English and Ulster Scots.

    I've no idea how many. (I've also no idea how many bilingual English/Irish signs have been put up.)

    So far as I know the rules for putting them both up are the same. And the process starts with a request — if nobody asks for them to be put up, they won't be put up.

    So, if it's true that there are fewer English/Ulster Scots signs that English/Irish signs, the most likely explanation for this is demand — there have been fewer requests for English/Ulster Scots signs.

    And the reason for this might be partly political; there's am overlap between people that might be minded to seek Ulster Scots signs and people that are distressed by the sight of Irish signs. They may decide not to request Ulster Scots signs because doing so would validate and legitimise the system under which Irish signs are erected. (I.e. their distaste for Irish language signs exceeds their appetite for Ulster Scots signs; they'd rather have neither than both.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    Can you explain why a dual signpost on a public road is "unfair"?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    I'd say most people from the P.U.L. community are quite sensible and pragmatic, and do not want to see the council waste millions on replacing perfectly good street signs with dual or triple language ones. Also, if a street was named something when it was built, that is the name of it. If someone is called John Waters, you do not insist on him wearing a name badge with Sean Uisce on it in equal prominence to the name everyone inc himself uses.

    Plenty of other things to be spending taxpayers money on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,144 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I'd say most people from the P.U.L. community are quite sensible and pragmatic

    Do you include the bigot with the angle grinder in that?

    Unionism just cannot grasp the fact they have lost this one, like flegs and parades they marched to the top of a hill and now have a thug with an angle grinder trying to do their bidding..

    Meanwhile tri-bi-lingual signage is rolling out right across the jurisdiction and tri-bi-lingual branding for towns and cities will be the norm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    They would be better off spending the money on other things. Republicans just cannot see how bigoted they appear in the eyes of the world to be bullying PUL communities, when the majority of people in those areas do not want Irish language on their street signs / their streets renamed in to the Irish language.

    It reminds me here of CIE in the past using Irish names for towns and cities and place names, when everyone uses the English names. All it does is confuse tourists.

    If there was a gofundme page to buy angle grinders in lidl or aldi for £30 each or whatever, to help enable local lads in Belfast take away Irish signs where residents do not want them, I'd say it would be well subscribed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,144 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


     All it does is confuse tourists.

    Yeh, who is thinking of all those lost tourists. 😁

    How do you people cope when you get out of the country? Or maybe you don't get out much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    The point is, everyone, locals and tourists alike, speaks English and use Irish placenames eg Dublin instead of Baile Atha Cliath etc.

    I'd say Lidl and Aldi would do a roaring trade in those cheap battery powered angle grinders next time they are on offer, to help clean up the area of unwanted Irish language



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,963 ✭✭✭csirl


    The Irish government isnt working towards having a bilingual workforce by 2030. There are no quotas for Irish speakers. In reality the core civil service is starting to get more diverse in its recruitment and increasing numbers of non-nationals are joining. The health sector already has a high % of non-nationals and in the education sector the trend is towards recognition of more overseas qualifications thus opening up more teaching jobs to non-nationals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,144 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    While the thugs attention is on fighting their war on one or two streets the signs are going up everywhere else.

    Nobody will worry much about a few wee streets in Belfast.

    They cannot win this one because it was lost long ago when the supremacists had their veto nullified.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    Wrong. The groundbreaking National Plan for Irish Language Public Services, formed to honour the objectives of the Official Languages (Amendment) Act, 2021, ensures that a minimum of 

    20% of public sector hires will be fluent in Irish by 2030

    .

    I remember the day when you needed to pass Irish just to pass the leaving cert. Now it is just needed for most unis etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,144 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Will you have an issue with a quota in a UI?

    Or will everything have to crumble because a Unionist might be offended?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,648 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Given the way SF behave and have behaved, I'd say a lot of people would be worried about the rights of minorities in a hypothetical U.I., specifically the rights of the best part of a million unionists, which is why there will not be a U.I. in the lifetime of the present army council.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,144 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    So in your feverish dreams you see a UI as a SF takeover? 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,648 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    It is the aim of the a.c. / S.F. to be in power in a U.I, is it not?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,144 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I would imagine it is the aim of all parties standing for election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,648 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    so why do you post the silly question "So in your feverish dreams you see a UI as a SF takeover? "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,963 ✭✭✭csirl


    I think the article is factually wrong. The Act itself makes no reference to 20% or any % of civil servants needing Irish.

    Go onto publicjobs.ie and you'll find very very few jobs where proficiency in Irish is required. The Government has also changed since the article - so the non-binding aspirations of a previous Minister are redundant.

    Best of luck recruiting doctors and nurses in the HSE overseas if an Irish language requirement is introduced!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,648 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Yes it is the case ( 20% of new recruits to the public service must be competent in Irish by the end of 2030.)

    The government is spending a lot of money to ensure this will be the case.

    Here is a quote from Gaelchultúr, who are (they day) honoured to be chosen by the state body Foras na Gaeilge, as the designated provider of Irish language training for the public sector. 

    Quote:

    Under the Official Languages (Amendment) Act 2021, 20% of new recruits to the public service must be competent in Irish by the end of 2030. State bodies across the country are focused on developing and providing expert quality services to the public through Irish, resulting in more public sector jobs for Irish-language speakers than ever before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,144 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Because you seem to believe if SF are in power:

     I could see Irish being compulsory in schools, Irish being necessary for admission in to public service, univestities etc. Republican version of history being taught in schools, public building re-named after "those who won us our freedom" etc. It all happened here as you know.

    That would require a one party government for approx 50 years, with one man one vote removed and possibly some gerrymandering to boot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,648 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    You may think FG/FG was all one party because they are both centrist parties and the military wing of the party you follow did not recognise this state during the troubles, but nevertheless the following all happened here as you know, back in the day.

    Irish being compulsory in schools, Irish being necessary for admission in to public service, univestities etc. Republican version of history being taught in schools, public building re-named after "those who won us our freedom" etc.

    Even to this day a minimum grade of O6/H7 in the Leaving Certificate Irish is required for most students to get in to University College Dublin, so why would'nt SF want the same for Queens in due course?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,144 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nice if fairly pathetic sidestepping of your scaremongering.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,648 ✭✭✭Francis McM




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,144 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You weren't being challenged on the 'past' you were being challenged on your Shinners under the bed and in your head version of the future.

    *Pivot to something else incoming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,648 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    I'm not worried about shinners under the bed: in fact I wrote "Given the way SF behave and have behaved, I'd say a lot of people would be worried about the rights of minorities in a hypothetical U.I., specifically the rights of the best part of a million unionists, which is why there will not be a U.I. in the lifetime of the present army council."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    "Republicans just cannot see how bigoted they're in the eyes of the world". Are you having a laugh here.

    Anyone looking at this outside of NI wouldn't get the problem with dual signs. Can you reference any problems in Britain with dual signage. There is none. People who cant speak welsh or Scottish still have the english part of the sign so there is no problem with rational unbigoted people with dual sign. Anyone looking at this knows fine well who are the bigots. Perhaps you should look up the meaning of the word bigotry. Explain how dual signage is bigotry? Easy to see how taking down dual signage and demanding one language never be on signage is bigotry towards it.

    And you contradicted yourself. One post you say the PUL are careful with money and that is the reason against dual signage and then on this you're willing to contribute money towards angle grinders to to do criminal damage which shows its nothing to do with money but just bigotry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,144 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    What 'rights' of a million Unionists have SF; after democratic agreements among democratically elected representatives, continually blocked, used the Petition Of Concern against (abused it) and the Call-In mechanism against or taken an angle grinder to and threatened the public?

    That is just for a start, we can move on to the supremacist shennanagins over the Protocol and the attempt to block the will of over 500 elected MP's in the Parliament they are supposed to be loyal to, and the threats to life and property arising out of their inability to accept democratic decisions.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,648 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    who used an angle grinder to threaten the public? I think the only thing threatened was the sign put up, which most of the residents strongly felt they did not want. Not surprising as the language was politicised by SF/IRA, even Kneecap admitting frequently that "every word of Irish is a bullet for Irish Freedom". What a way to ensure close to a million people are turned off the language, not the brightest are Kneecap.



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