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Northern Ireland 2125?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,963 ✭✭✭csirl


    Irish isnt required for the Irish public service nor is Irish compulsory for Irish universities right now. The idea that these things would be introduced in a U.I. is nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,156 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It is similar to the scare/smear nonsense tactics you are seeing because an 'undesirable' might get to the Áras.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    I understand 350 signs have been (reported) attacked in last few years, plus the many unreported. You think the police should investigate each of them. Are you wise Francie? They can forget about the rapes and murders and intimidation and focus on the signs!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    indeed Francis. I understand locals held a candlelight vigil at the sign on Saturday night.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    Firstly, vandalism is a crime and absolutely should be investigated obviously.

    Secondly, when said vandalism is accompanied by threats of violence to others, that should warrant it being a higher priority than if it wasn't a factor.

    Thirdly, if the specific violence creates a potential health risk to the general public, something should be done to minimise that risk.

    We can ignore that as long as it is pissing off themmuns though, right?

    I'd absolutely consider this worthy of investigation, much like I would for example the vandalism of an Orange Hall. I seem to remember you being quite outraged and much less dismissive the last time that happened, you certainly didn't suggest that by investigating it, the PSNI were somehow ignoring rapes and murders.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,156 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    I haven’t seen anything about threats of violence. You do realise this was imposed there in the face of a massive majority of the residents voting against it in an official poll?

    If there was an Ulster flag put up in a majority nationalist area where the local community have voted officially to say it was offensive and shouldn’t be there, would you be opposed to local nationalists removing it? Serious question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    so don’t investigate if someone is not threatened?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    I don't believe there was specifically a vote that said it was offensive anywhere, but I'm open to being proven wrong.

    If there was a flag hung up somewhere legally by a government body, I would be opposed to someone taking it into their own hands to remove it, certainly if in doing so they created a health hazard for the general public.

    I would've been opposed to them vandalising Belfast City Hall to remove the flag flying every day before it was normalised with standard British practice and I would be opposed to them vandalising it now when it flies on designated days despite Belfast being a majority Nationalist city. I don't agree with vigilantism. I certainly wouldn't be complaining that the PSNI were investigating the crime if any of these things occurred.

    You didn't answer why you weren't outraged at the PSNI investigating vandalism to an Orange Hall like you are with this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,156 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Yes, and whatever priority the police think it should be given.

    I asked what kind of society you wanted to live in.

    It’s quite clear you want to live in one where Unionists get to do whatever they want without consequences.

    When you are used to it I suppose you miss that freedom.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    I am actually glad that sf have completely lost control of their sectarianism and pressed ahead with these offensive and intimidatory signs. Even their little helpers Alliance party can’t support them on this. Here is what Alliance said today in the assemble

    “……Sinn Féin also need to reflect on their approach. Their insistence on pressing ahead with signs against the wishes of a majority of residents has undermined confidence in the process and set back community relations.

    “Alliance has a long track record of supporting the Irish language, and we will continue to do so on the basis of respect, dialogue and inclusion. We should celebrate diversity, not weaponize it in a bid to divide our community.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,156 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    So a chainsaw and threats is ‘respect’? Who knew?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    Pretty sure I never complained about police not investigating orange hall vandalism. Don’t ever remember one having tape around it or anyone ever being convicted. When the local hall to me gets graffitied, I would regard it as a waste of police time if they decided to investigate it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    So let’s be honest and have a like for like.
    Belfast city council has decided to place an Irish sign at the entrance to every street or cul de sac that can get 15% voting for it.
    lets imagine Ards Council also went on sectarianism steroids and decided to place a union flag at the entrance to every street and cul de sac that could manage 15% in favour.
    if in a street with a very nationalist majority, the locals removed it, I would support their right to do that - would you? Or would you prefer they just moved house if it was annoying them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,156 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Why would you place a flag at the entrance to an estate?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    I guess the same reason you would place an Irish sign. It’s a good question though. Could you answer it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,156 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Answer what?

    It’s a completely different item associated with ond community. Bi-lingual signs are not attached to ‘one’ community.

    Your bigotry is clouding your view.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    Obviously......since the PSNI did and would investigate if an Orange Hall was vandalised. I'm suggesting that the last time you were victim-posting about an Orange Hall being vandalised, you certainly weren't complaining that the PSNI were investigating instead of finding rapists and murderers, despite trying to walk it back now.

    Where is your current cut off point for crimes that shouldn't be investigated? We know that since they started vandalising dual language signage, vandalism is now totally fine by you. Should they only investigate when it gets up to a wee bit of arson or GBH? Or should the PSNI just investigate nothing short of rape and murder?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    Most universities in the Republic of Ireland require students to have a pass in Irish in the Leaving Certificate, even for entry in to courses like engineering which have nothing to do with Irish.  Irish is still compulsory in schools in Ireland and few people become competent in a European language like German or French or Spanish. I remember when you had to pass Irish just to pass the leaving cert or get a government job.

    The Irish government is currently working towards a bilingual public sector workforce. By 2030, 20% of new recruits will be required to have some Irish language competence.  That will probably rise in 2035 , 2040. If there was a U.I., with Irelands biggest party SF in power, and giving how SF are weaponizing language looking for 50% representation even in PUL areas in Belfast currently, who would be surprised if Irish will be compulsory in schools in N.I., and admission to Queens. You would not have one set of admission criteria for UCD, UCG, UCC - call them what you want now - and another for uni in N.I.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,156 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The only weapons in the bi-lingual democratically agreed legislation issue are a chainsaw used in a criminal and threatening manner

    Let’s not put a tooth in it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    Seeing as you cannot put a tooth in the other points raised. Everyone knows the language is weaponized in N.I. If it was not, Sinn Fein would not be wanting to put it in to every street, even in unionist areas. Even Kneecap admitted it is weaponized, lots of times they said every word of Irish is a bullet for Irish Freedom.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,156 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Advocating is not weaponising.

    Running around with a chainsaw damaging property and threatening people is actually using weapons to be advocate for bigotty.

    Unionism on the wrong side of history again..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    The only thing threatened with the angle grinder - doubt if it was a chainsaw - was the sign, which was not wanted by the majority of people. You seem more concerned for the wellbeing of the poor , traumatised sign than you ever were for the victims of the pIRA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,156 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    There were people threatened and damage done to property.

    The definition if ‘weaponising’.

    Achieving democratic mandates is not weaponising anything.
    Thats just a whinge from those used to supremacy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    francie that is an incredible statement. It’s the national flag of the uk and we are in uk. It is def not as ‘one sided’ as Irish language - but it’s a very reasonable equivalence for this test



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    Who was threatened? Nobody as far as I know.

    They can replace the damaged sign with the original, traditional sign they removed in order to erect the bi-lingual sign.

    Will save the council a fortune erecting bi-lingual signs in other areas they are not wanted.

    How come you seem more concerned for the well-being of the poor , traumatised sign than you ever were for the victims of the pIRA?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,156 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    A road sign is an inanimate non political piece of metal. About as threatening as a manhole lid.

    Who has displayed their inner bigot over both? Unionists.

    Wrong side of history for decades.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    If republicans were not bullying supremacists in Belfast they would not be seeking to cause division by erecting Irish language signs in loyalist areas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,156 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    PbP, Greens,Alliance, SDLP, SF, and Inds all voted for this.

    Unionism is trying to divide a democratic majority.

    When you are used to supremacy equality feels like oppression.

    No better example of it here.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭Kiteview


    It’s all the rage in most parts of England these days. If you don’t have dozens of flags up you aren’t patriotic.


    I do wish someone would ask the people putting up the flags why they don’t also paint the pavement kerbs in patriotic colours as they did in Northern Ireland. Perhaps they just aren’t “true patriots”? 😀



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