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Pandemic Unemployment Payment over payment

  • 17-10-2025 06:10PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭


    Hi, I got another letter from this crowd again. I say again because I got a letter from them as well back in 2023 claiming that I had received over payment on my PUP according to their records. I didn't agree with their assessment but I ended up just paying them as they only wanted like 20 euro or something and it was worth it to me just to make it all go away.

    Now they are back. I have changed jobs since and have moved since. I have updated my address with Revenue but for some reason, they sent this to my old address. It is dated 22nd of September and I just got it today on the 17th of October when I got home…my former landlord forwarded it to me.

    Basically they are claiming I had overlap between working and receiving benefits on 9 of the payment weeks they were looking at. I They claim 5 is allowed but at any rate, they now want me to pay well over 1,000 euro. I don't agree with them. I still have ALL my payslips from my former job and I do not have pay slips for any of the weeks mentioned. I have have one from my employer the very first week they site telling me the buisness would be closed due to government regulations and to sign on to the PUP. I would not have signed up until that week at the earliest. They claim then I was working for the next two weeks after that. Then skip 7 weeks and then they claim I worked 4 straight weeks Then they have me working 2 random weeks over a year later…I don't even think I was still on the PUP Then.

    It is one thing for me to say I don't have pay slips for these periods when I have others but me not having a record is not going to prove anything to them. All the dates they give but the last two are from 2020, 5 years ago…how am I meant to prove anything to do with this at this stage?

    What can I do here? What kind I do to prove this is an error from that long ago? Will that email I Have from my employer stating they would be closed after that day do any good? I left that company during Covid because I was sick of sitting at home. It forced me to think outside the box and try applying for jobs that I otherwise wouldn't have and I ended up in a job where I make way more money that I did at this one. This PUP payment has caused me nothing but trouble, there was so much I wasn't told at the time…I didn't know getting on the PUP would create a tax liability for me (even though I had no choice but to go on it) and now for the second time, they are coming after me wanting money back. Look, I have no issue paying them if it turns out I do owe them money but I just don't see how what they are saying could be possible.

    If you were me, how would you go about fighting this? I haven't called the yet, I just got the letter today at 5 pm and their office is closed so I will call them Monday.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,696 ✭✭✭wench


    I would start by logging on to Revenue myAccount page, and look under the PAYE section for your Employment Detail Summary. This goes back to 2019, so it should have the detail you need.
    You'll need to click in a few levels through the summaries, but eventually you should be able to see your payslip details for each period.
    Then if what's there matches your recollection, I'd contact them with that, and get them to review their calculations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,376 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    It looks to me (well im 100% certain) hackers scammed the government out of millions on the pandemic payments, my friend ignored the letters and rang them after a final demand, asked for the email address and the last digits of the bank account....not his 😀they asked him to write to them and explain, he said "you've been scammed you need to contact your cyber team "

    A week later he received a letter saying its grand 😀😀

    The question is how much have the government been scammed for?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Ohoopee


    Yeah I just did that things are not adding up…We got paid fortnightly and were paid a week behind, so the week we got paid we were actally getting paid for the two weeks prior…on the first date they show, it is clear I am only getting paid for 1 week, not two weeks, so the week they are claiming, I was actually not working. The second week they claim, it is showing income but very very little…looks like I might have come in to help them do something for 1 day..maybe. The 3rd listing is not there…then you go to the second cluster…only 1 of those dates has a payment it says I earned nothing and the payment listing both before and after show me earning nothing. Will this be enough proof?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,696 ✭✭✭wench


    I think that puts you in a good position to refute their claims.
    Send them the data laid out for the timeline, and tell them you don't believe you owe them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Ohoopee


    It really is sad they are making people do this at all. I know there probably were people taking advantage of this payment, there always are but to come back this many years later and demand payment for that much is ridiculous. I'm assuming they can't do this for many more years can they? I already haven't got a tax refund since Covid because of the tax liability this payment that the government gave me no choice but to take and now they want me to pay them that much money…very sad.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Hard believe people are still being chased over this.

    I'll just say this OP, DSP have access to payroll data & both revenue & DSP have been sharing data for years. They can see what you can see & have determined there's an over payment.

    What I find strange is the initial €20 repayment & how it was determined initially owed €20 and now owe €1K

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,376 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    They can see nothing. All that was needed to scam the system is a ppsn number and a ridiculously obviously made up email address. The question is how many people are getting these letters



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    They see absolutely everything with regard to taxable Income, this is a simple fact you fail to grasp.

    The rampant fraud was as a direct result of PUP being implemented in a Rush & such was the volume of claims (Close to 600k) it took time for fraudulent claims to be uncovered.

    It is DSP analysing OP'S taxable income via data supplied by revenue that's led to a determination of an over payment, Do you seriously think DSP work off guess work.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,376 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    They see everything except who they're actually paying, can you grasp that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭AugustRain


    what on earth are you going on about?!! Who is paying who what?!?
    Revenue say that this person has a tax liability. This person is connected to revenue and his employer and all his previous employers by his PPSN.
    He’s not denying that he worked for this employer he’s merely querying whether he worked for them the weeks that revenue say he did. PUP was paid out in a panic to stop people from starving to death when the country closed down.
    It’s going to take years to rectify all the mistakes made in covid and PUP is one of them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I'm going to assume you are being deliberately, ridiculous and suggest you familiarise yourself with how exactly DSP get information on prsi Contributions, assess income & state benefits, Taxation & Social welfare payments or indeed find out how people are commiting fraud. How exactly can tgey determine a person's entitlement to illness benefit, JSB etc.

    Perhaps you think they have a crystal ball 🙄

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Precisely, Ash just can't help but deflect with incoherent nonsense.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,376 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Im saying many ppsn numbers have been gleaned from cyber attacks and and a result a ridiculous amount of pandemic payments have been paid to scammers and many innocent tax payers are getting payment demands from the dept.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    It is NOT what you intimated in your initial reply, instead went straight into accusations of Fraud. Then you went on to absurdly suggest DSP has no access to taxable income Data.

    The OP has clearly explained their situation.

    You appear to think Fraud is rampant with regard to SW payments. The vast majority claimed PUP ligitimately & where entitled to it. Unfortunately many also found themselves with substantial tax liabilities through no fault of theirs, also many found themselves in situations where over payments occured, again inadvertently.

    Yes there was substantial Fraud & we know precisely where & how it originated from & cases before the courts practically every month.

    DSP have access to the data, the OP can appeal any decision on an over payment.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,376 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Ohoopee


    Weird, I logged into mywelfare.ie account to make an appeal on this….but it says I have no appealable decisions. There is also nothing about this listed in my notifications. The letter came in an official brown government envelope with the harp so I Have no doubt it is real but why would this not be appearing in mywelfare.ie account



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,376 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    As with many other taxpayers in the same situation it's highly likely the dept have realised their error and have quietly dropped their claim



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Appeals with regards to over payments are not handled through My welfare portal. A specific department within DSP handles over payments & collection of over payments. The contact details will be contained in the letter.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Hmmmm, So you have an overpayment issue, Pray tell, why not share the details 🤔

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Do we now 🤔 how very Cryptic.

    I'm assuming you naively think I work for DSP & of course if you bothered to check any of my posts, you'd know it's nonsense & preposterous.

    Having paid Taxes & contributions for decades, I'm now on DA

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Ohoopee


    It was my understanding at the time the PUP was being payed out, that you were allowed to work very limited amounts while still on the payment..that appears to be what they are getting me on…My hotel at the time had a pub attached to it and my boss did try to give me something to do but giving me hours in the pub on weekends…but it wasn't every weekend and wouldn't have been more than 2 days…he told me at the time that I was allowed to work some hours without it affecting PUP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭AugustRain


    No. you could not even work one hour while on the PUP.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭AugustRain


    and from Gov.ie

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,355 ✭✭✭Firblog


    Could you have received some holiday pay? A stamp would have been recorded for that too..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 456 ✭✭head82


    Might it be due to the OP (or the OPs employer) confusing PUP with the Employment Wage Subsidy Scheme where the employee was allowed to work some hours and the employer was subsidised. Thus causing the confusion.

    Post edited by head82 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Not a Cent of taxable income, holiday pay or otherwise.

    As explained, it's a review of Taxable income data from Revenue being cross referenced on those who received PUP.

    Worth also mentioning, many found themselves with Tax liabilities because of PUP.

    Numerous threads on PUP over the years on this forum, they dealt with numerous questions raised, especially on Eligibility.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Ohoopee


    Great..none seemed to know anything at the time…they didn't even want us to sign on in the local office, wanted us to do it all online…no one seemed to know anyway… I worked a couple of days, not enough to live off of or even to pay my rent for the month and now I am likely going to have to pay over a thousand euro…that is just great news.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭AugustRain


    There was no “signing on” for anyone on the PUP and there was no signing on anyway because the SW offices were all closed.
    I went to work everyday in the CIC which was also closed to walk in customers but we answered the phone, which rang off the hook (as the yanks say) with queries mostly in the first few weeks related to PUP and other covid emergency measures.
    The information we were getting from the government about the PUP (who was entitled, who wasn’t, how much can I get?) was changing constantly.
    Some days it was changing from morning to afternoon.
    I started taking peoples phone numbers and ringing them back in the afternoon to change the information I’d given them that morning.
    That’s because there was no precedent to this and no plan of action.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭Madd002


    Can you not get your bank statements and crosscheck your wages against pup received against the dates they have on your letter.

    I had to do this with a few employees who received these letters in recent months. It turns out they did owe money. They forgot to close their claim the week they came back and received the extra payment. The only issue I see with yours is it's a 1000.00 owed, our staff had letter for overpayment of 350-1400 which is multiples of 350 which was the pup payment amount.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    PUP Payments reduced over time, the €350 was only paid for a number of months gradually reducing.

    No need for Bank statements, DSP & Revenue have all the info required to determine if a person was in receipt of Taxable income & PUP at the same time.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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