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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    This is a good commentary on what has happened HH’s campaign in the last few days -and I like the “wooden Heather” vs “mean Heather” analogy .

    I’ve never found her “convincing”- she snarls and then smiles at the end of what she’s saying - I’ve always felt when she’s defending herself, especially in relation to the Shane O’Farrell case, that she’d rather be anywhere else but talking about it -

    I’ve felt throughout this election she’s been trying to market herself as a Labrador - when in fact, she’s clearly a Doberman - a good and loyal dog yes, but not with the same universal appeal.

    “Mean Heather already seems to have much more oomph than Wooden Heather, to whom we’ve been treated so far. But it is the desperate lurch of the pendulum that is so striking.“

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/presidential-election/senan-molony-president-for-all-image-is-chucked-out-the-window-as-heather-humphreys-makes-desperate-pivot/a1671961241.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Jim Callaghan cannot be critical of Gerry Adams without being a hypocrite is your logic here. It is also logical according to you that FF themselves are hypocrites having O'Callaghan in a senior position.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,787 ✭✭✭pureza


    Like any Barister,CC could have turned down business from banks repossessing houses if her principles regarding the homeless were genuine

    It’s a fair criticism



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,696 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Brittney candidate will bring anything substantive to the role of President. For me, quite simply, given her past campaigns Catherine Connolly deserves the keys to the Áras and Heather Humphries doesn't, especially now given her latest attempt at sabotage. Somebody as manipulative as HH doesn't deserve my vote



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    My difficulty is neither deserve my vote and it essentially has been that way from day 1. I want to vote in a way I will have no regrets walking out of the polling booth but whatever way I vote, it won’t be an enjoyable experience, that’s for sure.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,696 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Then your simple solution is to not vote, not only can you in good conscious have not voted for a manipulative failed FG justice minister but also then it strengthens my vote. Win-win all around



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,205 ✭✭✭Neamhshuntasach


    Like my Garda mate. Doesn't agree with repossessions and has strong opinions against the banks, but has been there to facilitate removal of owners to uphold the law of the court. Guess he should have just told his boss that he wasn't doing it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,276 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    What about Barristers representing Murders/GHB/Drunk drivers etc.…I assume more Barristor principles included that innocent people should not be killed….

    again they are part of the Justise system and they have a Job to represent different people on different sides of the law, and to be professional and as impartial as they can be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,593 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    I just saw the FG hypocrisy video - stunning

    The way they've laid out the narrative of the video is basically -

    1. CC qualifies as a barrister
    2. CC represents banks in repossession cases when the country was struggling
    3. CC later says in the Dail that it's wrong that people lost their homes

    Like…..what is there argument? That after first hand experience through those years and because of the work she was doing at the time she should be arguing in favour of repossessions years later?

    Like if she'd represented a murderer in a trial and then later said murder is bad that's hypocrisy?

    I get that civil and criminal cases are different but the video is just bizarre and based on a weak argument - it's basically saying that you shouldn't be annoyed about her representing banks because the really bad thing is that she hasn't been pro-bank repossession in comments years later?

    This is along the lines of "Mayor Quimby even released Sideshow Bob, a man twice convicted of attempted murder. Can you trust a man like Mayor Quimby? Vote Sideshow Bob."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Not voting is not an option for me unless I’m somehow incapacitated on the day - I believe strongly in attending a polling station - billions of people around the world don’t have that right.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,696 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    As they were in power at the time, FF/FG could have legislated against banks repossessing homes. The hypocrisy of Humphries painting a solicitor as the "bad person" in all this is much more serious than that

    The bar council has also proven your claim wrong



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,696 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    That's all very true

    Spoiling your vote then is the only other option. Spoiling your vote would result in a very small amount of extra time having being allocated to the count, a slowdown of the democratic process that you claim to hold so dear

    I'd say that if there's no candidate you wish to vote for then you are privileged by our democracy to not vote if you see fit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,696 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I'll help you understand better

    1. CC qualifies as a barrister

    2. CC represents banks in repossession cases when the country was struggling as she is legally required to do so under the cab-rank rule

    3. CC later says in the Dail that it's wrong that people lost their homes

    4. The FG party that HH is part of allow the repressions to go ahead

    Does that make it clearer for you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,276 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    Completely disagree, spoiling you vote shows you took the time out to make a point about the election, not just too lazy to care.

    Spoiling your vote, can send a powerful message, depending of course on the percentage on the day.

    Most times is a small amount of Votes, but even these people deserve to have their voices hear in some way.

    I don't think I have ever spoiled my own vote by the way (Until this election it being an option)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,696 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    My point is that if people people spoil their votes it then takes longer to count the non-spoiled votes. This in turn slows the democratic process.

    Our two points are not mutually exclusive and I don't disagree with your point at all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭MFPM




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    His Code of Conduct doesn't allow him to refuse to do it, hers did. Very different.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Commercial and criminal law are different.

    The cab-rank rule applies much more strictly in criminal law because of the risk to the defendants.

    Commercial law allows for the loopholes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,864 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Great post. I just watched the attack video and I think it's very poor in terms of impact. Hard to know what point they are trying to make.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Defenders of Connolly's poor judgement like to cast rehabilitation as a binary thing when it is anything but. It is an ongoing process and one that people demonstrate over the course of years, not days. It is a process that doesn't wipe the slate clean the day you walk out (early) from prison.

    I’m not familiar with the people you’re referring to, but on my point: I haven’t claimed rehabilitation is binary — that’s a mischaracterisation to fit your argument. Rehabilitation does take time (and it varies from case to case), and it’s not necessarily linear. However, it doesn’t start the day a person is released from incarceration; it begins long before that.

    While the slate isn’t wiped completely clean, once someone has served their sentence and is released, they’ve done their time and are free to move on with their life — unless specific restrictions on movement or employment apply. In this case, there weren’t any, so the person was entitled to seek employment. Like many who’ve spent time in prison, they would likely need support in finding work.

    Trying to make rehabilitation "very much the issue" is just deflection. The issue, as it has been from day one, is that she signed someone in every day for 6 months who she knew full well was never going to pass vetting.

    The onle person deflecting here is you. You have no idea of what CC knew or didn't know, you are choosing a nefarious motive based solely on political bias. You don't like CC's politics, you have no intention of voting for her but, like the grandees of FG & FF, you're incapabale of articulating a convincing argument in favour of HH and thus you relapse to this type of disingenuous posting against CC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,696 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    It's understandable that you wouldn't know what that rule is. Or at least it was before today, a quick Google or news search should tell you all you need to know.

    However, Humphries' lack of knowledge on the cab-rank rule, despite being a former minister for justice, should be disturbing for anybody who believes that to be the reason and is considering voting for HH.

    I think what she's actually done here is manipulation and dirty play. Personally speaking that's not a trait I want to see in my president

    I'd be surprised if Humphries doesn't at least offer a formal apology and potentially even step down from the race because of this. FG having created that video could also cause untold harm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,696 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,741 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    CC either knew the person would never pass Garda vetting to work in Leinster House or she is a moron, which is not a very convincing defence of her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,593 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Ah thanks! I was thinking cab as an acronym like Criminal Assets Bureau but it's literally taxi rank!

    Yeah I agree - it's a slippery slope to attack the morality of taking cases especially when legal representation is a cornerstone of the constitution and the President is supposed to be about upholding the constitution.

    As I said, if she was taking these cases after she'd been in the Dáil voting against evictions I'd be more inclined to understand the reasoning why they'd say it's hypocrisy (though I'd still disagree with it) - but the other way around just makes it completely nonsensical



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    How would she 'know' this?

    If she had a prejudice she would guess maybe, but how would she 'know'?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,295 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I note that Breda O'Brien is pushing people to vote for Gavin (and to not add a #2 vote) in order to send a message of protest.
    Presumably the Iona cult is behind this article which follows other recent pro-Steen media releases. Add in the likes of Declan Ganley voicing similar support for Steen and my spidey senses really tingle.
    I'm wondering how exactly would they'd realise their conservative goals with the likes of Steen in office?

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2025/10/20/breda-obrien-heres-why-you-should-vote-for-jim-gavin/

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,741 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It does not require prejudice to "guess" that a someone convicted of firearm offences in the SCC, weeks out of prison, still (allegedly) under surveillance and still attending meetings of an organisation who do not recognise the legitimacy of the State might struggle to get clearance to have unfettered access to the heart of our country.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,696 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    As I said, if she was taking these cases after she'd been in the Dáil voting against evictions I'd be more inclined to understand the reasoning why they'd say it's hypocrisy

    She would still be obliged to represent the banks if this had happened after her term as a TD such is the nature of the job of barrister

    I had assumed until today that the nature of barrister/client information is meant to be confidential but I seem to have been incorrect in that assumption



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