Israel/Palestine Thread

People are nearly forgetting that the Irish state came about through violence and "terrorism". Sinn Fein won a landslide victory in the 1918 General Election and within four weeks, their paramilitary / guerrilla wing were waging the War of Independence.

What the people of Gaza have had to go through for the last two years is many times worse than what happened to the Irish people in 1916-21 and yet they (Gazans) get labelled as 'radicalised, hate filled extremists' etc.

On the subject of MSF. Again you have no idea what you're talking about.

Here's a few quotes regarding MSF and the Rwanda Genocide.

MSF called for an international military intervention on three occasions between 1994 and 1997. This was exceptional for the organisation.

Exceptional!

When MSF denounced the genocide at the end of April 1994, it created huge tensions with the authorities in place in Rwanda.

Just like Gaza this bit.

We realised pretty quickly that those behind the mass violence had infiltrated the aid system. The militia, the most criminal political groups present at the time, had people at every level of the aid system, and were misdirecting part of the food supplies that were destined for the Rwandan IDPs and refugees. The aid that was misdirected was serving the political violence directly, particularly when it was used to purchase weapons to reward militia taking part in acts of violence. Some of the food was used to feed the machine that was behind the mass killings.

In Rwanda they also didn't take sides. It was basically an appeal to the French to Intervene.

In Gaza, MSF have not alone made statements, they have made impartial political statements favouring one side, Hamas.

Secondly, and I have to say this, your attempt to draw any parallel between Gaza and Rwanda, in order to point score for Hamas, is dispicable.

In Rwanda, The Hutus used machete's to kill between 500,000 and a million Tutsis in roughly a three month period. Three months. Hundreds of thousands of women were raped.

It is in no way comparable to Gaza. MSF actions there are in no way comparable to the situation in Gaza.

There are over 2 million Arabs/Muslims in Israel. They're going nowhere.

Gaza, however. Not a Jew in sight. As ethnically cleansed area of the planet as exists.

No Jewish Israeli wants to live in Gaza. It's effectively an open air prison camp, with a standard of living way down on Israel (or was at least before the genocidaires decided to destroy the place).

Look at the emergence of Israel. The country was born out of terrorism. The founder of the Likud party and later Prime Minister, Menachem Begin ordered and took part in war crimes, every bit as brutal as Hamas.
Why are there different standards for Jewish vs Palestinian terrorists?

Israel is clearly an apartheid and racist state and yet you are somehow trying to spin it that the people of Gaza and Hamas who are the real racists and the ones practising apartheid (!)

'Give them time'

I thought it was happening right now. At least that's been the accusation from you for the last two years.

Now, though, they're withdrawing from Gaza, all part of some 5D chess came to reoccupy it again sometime in the future.

God forbid that anyone might suggest that Hamas are racists, or want to kill Jews.

So Hamas and the people of Gaza are the ones who are oppressing Israel in fact, not the other way around? Israel are mere innocent victims in all this?

Let’s forget about the previous 800 years of Irish history so 😂

Good point! Israeli prisons have been ethnically cleansed also, not a Jew in sight.

I think you will find they moved to the West bank to colonise that area as easier to defend. What do you call the Palestinians that have been removed from their land to house the settlers there? If you are suddenly against ethnical cleansing you should be against what Israel is doing there.

Is there no crime you will defend, as long as Israel is carrying it out?

This shows how ignorant you are of the reality on the ground: 9000 Israelis were instructed by their own government to leave Gaza in 2005. About 1/3 of those refused and were removed by force by their own government.

There were also a number of attempts by Jewish settlers over the past year to reinstall settlements in Gaza.

So that claim is simply wrong. Again. There are plenty of Jewish Israelis who want to live there. They weren’t allowed because the Palestinians wouldn’t have them. Contrary to the 2 million Arab Jews who live in Israel.

Moreover, the Israelis who were forced out of Gaza by Israel left thriving farms behind them, with equipment such as greenhouses and watering systems. What do you think the Palestinians did with them to improve the “open air prison camp”?

That’s right: smashed them up and used parts to make rockets to bombard Israel.

Because they didn’t want a decent standard of living. They wanted to make life in Israel as dangerous for Israelis as they could - even at the cost of a decent life for themselves.