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Irish Property Market chat II - *read mod note post #1 before posting*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,585 ✭✭✭straight


    You can't leave it to anyone in your will either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,788 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    They can inherit the pension value, any assets will be sold.

    Also there more than likely will be a family home to inherit which cannot be part of the pension, so the point is moot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,116 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Not necessarily. First off there is now a 500 euro tax credit for a couple that is 1k. Expenses are allowable against tax. Some individuals put some personal expenses against the rental income. If you put a rental property into a pension fund if your children are attending college they cannot use it while in college if that suits.

    I am not sure if it's that easy to leverage property within a pension fund. If there is excess cash in the fund its not as easy or economical to invest as in a standard pension fund.

    Personally I would look at a REIT structure for property ahead of a pension fund.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    I asked to see if you understood them. You can't put in an existing property. It was not an option for most people who bought rental properties in the past and no longer an option since 2021. It is a very expensive option when available.

    You made it sound like every one could/was doing it. You never explained the figures for the 3% yield



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,746 ✭✭✭enricoh


    1 in 20 houses/ apartments built in Dublin city were bought by the general public.

    I'm sure this is sustainable and will end well!

    Post edited by enricoh on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,046 ✭✭✭Villa05


    Lorcan sirr on podcast about article

    The 40k units+ per year and the parties of homeownership exposed for the fraudsters they are

    There policies are building less, poorer quality for higher prices and rents

    Tax payers money spent to drive up there cost of living



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,042 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    But... But... RPZ's and market prices and broke landlords leaving the system



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,046 ✭✭✭Villa05


    How far from the truth is this statement?

    "The chief executive of Glenveagh Properties, one of Ireland’s biggest homebuilders, has said a small number of people have delayed infrastructure projects for years, cost taxpayers “an absolute fortune”, and are “robbing a generation of future housing”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,046 ✭✭✭Villa05


    If the objective of governance was to suppress housing, our regime would achieve close to a perfect score



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 rockyroad2012


    Hi Guys - wondering peoples thoughts on this. I have rent review due with tenant( in property >6 year) and that usually lines up with me issuing a renewed 1yr lease. I'm not sure what I'm going to do with property and was waiting to see draft legislation etc . Do you think any benefit in holding off on review and rent increase ( ~2%) until after i know what the lie of the land is - or should i just do the review/rent increase regardless.

    Also - am i right in saying technically as they long standing tenant the 1 year lease doesn't really mean anything as they have indefinite lease?

    Thanks



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,585 ✭✭✭straight


    They have part 4 tenancy. Hardly worth increasing it by 2%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,042 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    You're entitled to increase by the 2% even if you intend to sell next year and it's not like it's much effort so you might as well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,704 ✭✭✭Muppet Man


    Hey folks, I’m new to this forum, so apologies if asked and answered, but couldn’t find anything a definitive answer from searching here or google.

    For context - I rent a room in my house and thrilled with how it has worked out. Tenants are absolute gold.

    My Question - The proposed changes in March 2026 for tenants and landlords, does anyone know if it will apply to the rent a room scheme too? Or unclear as yet?

    TIA

    Muppet man



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Hontou


    @Muppet Man When you rent a room in your house, the occupants are licensees. This is like having guests in your house. If it doesn't work out you can ask them to leave. I cannot imagine this will change as licensees are not tenants and residential tenancy legislation does not apply. But then again I never thought I would see the day when a rogue tenant can stay in a property without paying rent legitimately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭extra-ordinary_


    Can someone explain this..?

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    https://www.google.com/maps/place/Dublin+Vacation+Rentals/@53 .3375893,-6.3299747,16z/data=!4m12!1m2!2m1!1sVacation+rentals!3m8!5m2!4m1!1i2!8m2!3d53.3375893!4d-6.3243098!16s%2Fg%2F11xfdgn6vm!17BQ0FF?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MTAxMy4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,116 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    No because there is a lack of information of WTF you want explained. I clicked in and it sone sort of map and something about holiday rentals

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,821 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭extra-ordinary_


    Is it a real ad? It's listed as having 14 beds but sleeps 12?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,046 ✭✭✭Villa05


    Construction sector in decline for the fifth month in a row. It would appear that the less they do the more taxpayers money is pumped into the sector



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,046 ✭✭✭Villa05


    If the government did nothing, I reckon there would have been more houses built over the last five years. Take a look at the job growth over the last 5 years and in particular the sectors where that job growth occurred. All sectors with higher average pay.

    Had the Government sat on there hands and allow natural market forces to take over, more homes would have been built.

    It would appear developers are rationing supply knowing that the collector of taxes from those sectors will give them a far better deal than people in high paying jobs paying those taxes.

    Look at the poor growth in retail and hospitality jobs. This looks like a symptom of the high rents, property prices and taxes propping it all up meaning workers have little left over for discretionary spend.

    Once again housing is consuming the economy

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,879 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    The dept of housing recorded the highest number of new home commencements this year in September.

    AIB is saying September showed a continual decline in residential activity.

    There is a big difference between the two outlooks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,879 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    With the new Rent changes in March 2026, will a landlord be allowed increase rents by more than 2% annually, if the apartment is considered new?

    New meaning the commencement notice was issued after June 2025.

    The 2% CPI rent increase cap during high inflation periods may mean that a new apartment is still restricted to only a 2% rent rise each year?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,585 ✭✭✭straight


    I'm listening to The Irish Law and Small Business Podcast | My nightmare residential tenancy (even AFTER winning my RTB case) EP#742 on Podbean, check it out! https://www.podbean.com/ea/dir-t2m6d-27da1568



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,046 ✭✭✭Villa05


    20024 had record commencement notices with a huge surge to meet an April 2024 deadline that was later extended. Just shy of 70,000 units in total. One would expect construction to be surging in 2025 based on those numbers but alas, we have 5 months of decline

    I suspect notices were sent in on unserviced sites to pressure the government to service them thus increasing the site value. As I understand it there are plenty of serviced sites available

    Also worth noting that the two big developers are engaged in share buy back programs. In times of such shortage one would expect available capital to be reinvested in more inventory.
    We are told that cost of capital for building is @ double digit percentage rates, current margins are @ 20% Why would you use available capital to buy back shares when if you used it to build the combined savings plus margins amounts to 30%+ return on investment

    We are told building is unviable and VAT must be cut to further enrich developers we are told this is a supply measure. The truth is that it just increases land values making it harder and more expensive to add new supply

    The taxpayer is being played and is probably the Anglo/Irish nationwide of this cycle

    Post edited by Villa05 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,879 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    9,235 housing completions in Q3.

    3,300 in Dublin.

    Some good news. Must have been a while since we built more than that in a quarter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,526 ✭✭✭Blut2


    24,325 dwellings for the year at end of Q3 2025, and Q4 likely to be slower.

    We'll be hitting approx 30k again for the year, no real measureable growth since 2022 and its 29,640.

    If you'd told people in 2022 that completions would be at broadly the same level in 2023, 2024, and 2025, and the population would increase by hundreds of thousands of people in those years while we're at it, they'd tell you such a scenario would be impossible, unbelievable. That of course numbers would be increasing signficantly in that time period.

    I think they'd actually struggle to believe there would be no growth in those years, given the surplus wealth of the Irish state in the same years especially. Its utter failure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭spillit67


    No chance, not with the tax and regulatory system in place

    If there were to be a mass liberalisation from banking to planning to standards like in the 2000s then there would be.

    This conspiratorial thinking is hogwash. Developers sell to get their margin. Margins are not increasing substantially for listed developers. They cannot afford to sit on land for too long. The simple fact is apartment building has stagnated, if declined a bit, because institutional investors stopped putting money into them. The previous conspiracy was that they were denying individual buyers, the recent evidence shows this is just not the case in any macro sense.

    There will be incidents of investors or AHB doing that but it isn’t the case in a macro sense.

    Developers have no issue with building 3 bed semi detached houses because they are viable and there is a demand.

    The simple fact is that Irish people would rather spend €400k-€600k for a new build 3 bed semi detached house outside of Dublin rather than €600k (the average price) for a 2 bedroom apartment in Dublin. Even 3 bedroom apartments are not popular. Glenveagh correctly diagnosed this and have a policy in place for this, focusing on high density duplexes (which are popular). Developers would be building all the apartments in the world right now if there was demand and they were viable. I’d argue that living closer to the city in a smaller space is more worthwhile but most still don’t care when buying and dream of suburbia.

    We need more apartments but studios and 1 beds to rent for younger people and they can go to all the Funds and AHBs in the world as far as I care. The inane policies like DLR demanding 3 bedroom “family” apartments as part of their local whims should be binned.

    There’s no conspiracy. There’s “nice” regulations and there’s the associated viability.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭spillit67


    Last 12 month completions is bang on 33,000, this is the highest since the Celtic Tiger. We’ve just had back to back record quarters. It’s fairly likely we’ll end up close to 35,000 for 2025.

    It is not enough but we live in this weird world without nuance, where people catastrophise and throw out conspiracies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭spillit67


    Q2 and Q3 were the second and third busiest quarters since the Celtic Tiger.

    Q4 of 2023 was the biggest (that was the one where we surprised everyone and actually beat the targets, not that people seemed to care!) with 10,289.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭spillit67


    Sorry what now.

    This isn’t correct. The last 12 months is at 33,000 homes.

    10% is not a small increase.

    The only reason that they’re at this level is because of the wealth of the State and them pouring money into it. Compare to the rest of Europe on housing output and we are top of the class.

    Now we have some prime stupid regulations and tax here on housing, which is stunting growth, but it’s a function of being a high regulation/ tax society. Nothing to do with wealth.



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