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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭tarvis


    The State also had a lot to hide and the sealing of records suited it. It was state employees who inspected the mother and baby homes and who stamped the passports - more recent failures are totally down to

    the State.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    While I disagree with CC on a lot of issues, its mostly the foreign policy except Gaza, where I agree with her.

    I thought the visit to Syria was a mistake, especially with characters like Saeed Bel Al Al.

    It is true that as president, the government will have a veto on her foreign travels. Hopefully this will prevent a repeat.

    On domestic policy I might be more sympathetic to her views. But I disagree with her on justice policy and her concept of what rehabilitation is.

    I hope as president she wont repeat what she said about Germany and France being untrustworthy or comparing German rearmament to Nazi Germany rearming.

    IIt's not beyond the realms of possibility that she will turn out to exceed my expectations. But I just cant vote for her because foreign policy is important to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    I am curious on what the verdict will be from the FF/FG camp if Connolly wins with relative comfort next Friday.

    Will it be that she's actually pretty similar to Michael D and was mischaracterised during the election during the campaign so nothing really changes. Mea cupla sorry for the smears.

    Or is it that the the Irish public have shifted to the left more now than ever before which brings potential consequences for future general elections.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Remember that SF were on 39% a few years ago and only 22% in GE 2024.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,700 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Heather needs a miracle to happen this week then



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,993 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Heather is on the attack again. Connollys barrister past representing banks being compared to Heathers working in a credit union trying to save people from repossessions. One lady confronted Connolly after her election and called her out on her speeches about homelessness after having being involved in repossession cases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭MFPM


    It's almost if the Taoiseach and Tainiste are lying and there's simply no momentum behind HH so she may aswell attack....in fairness she's little to endear to people including 20% of her own party!!

    It's quite amusing watching the establishment scrabbling away for votes....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Inter-GE pollng always throws up strange results. FG was on 38% and FF on 12% while SF was on 26% in one. They are snapshots of public opinion at a given time not predictions. In the 2024 GE, FG got 20.8%, FF got 21.9% and SF got 19% in 2024. It is only in the last two weeks before an election that voting intentions crystalise. The Irish Times/Ipsos-B&A poll had Connolly on 38%, Humphreys on 20% and Gavin on 5%. That's approximately within a week of the election. The DK % was down to 17%. It looks like FFG and its friends in the media are getting increasingly negative as this isn't the coronation for Humphreys that they expected. Connolly is on 1/10 and Humphreys is on 6/1 on Paddy Power at the moment,

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,190 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Amusing you say, given that the left consists of mostly a rabble of disorganized protest and marches who have not gotten a sniff of real power for years, it would be churlish to deny you that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭spakman


    Anyone who talks about "the establishment" should be automatically viewed with cynicism.

    CC has been a TD for over 10 years and served as leas ceann comhairle. She is as established as it gets.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,993 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    In what way are the Taoiseach and Tanaiste lying? Where has that come from.

    Establishment is what it is, CC has been a member of the Establishment for most of her working life. She says she had no choice as a barrister but to take up the work offered, but there's always a choice. I worked for a building firm early in my working life, I wasn't long out of college, I witnessed a few dodgy work practices on fairly major jobs, so I quit. If you're committed to a cause as Connolly is alleged to be, caring for the oppressed, then you don't work against them because you have no choice. People always have a choice. CC seems to have made a good few bad choices in her carreer imo, too many for me to support her. Being a good orator and clever speech maker is a qualification I'd expect from a barrister. But her judgement calls have been poor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Truthfully, how do you think the Humphreys campaign has gone and do you think that she can win? Has this election turned into a rejection of FFG?

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    This 100%.
    Given the lack of competition, we know CC will romp home - this whole presidential election has been a sh1tshow from the off in terms of quality candidates-

    and given the motivation of many to give the government a kick up the ass, voting CC or at least not voting for HH (spoiling votes or staying away) - is just civil voting disobedience -CC benefits by default - FF and FG voters have the chance to stop CC- they’re choosing not to - probably because they don’t want either candidate to win -so are sitting this one out


    in modern times, people have voted for the candidate they want, not necessarily their party candidate - how else would Higgins for example have got there in 2011?

    I understand why CC is seen as popular by the left; I can see why centre and centre right voters might stay away in their droves; but believing the election hype from CC’s campaign that this is some sort of ground swell “movement” that will go beyond a presidential election is incredibly bad journalism - this chap is obviously over-dosing on the left publicity cool-aid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    HH never got her presidential messages clear on day 1- this feels like she’s desperate now and her script writers are trying to rewrite her campaign image as some sort of saviour of those in financial difficulty throughout the 2008 onwards recession - way too late now to be playing that card and dangerous considering her government experience since, where there are big societal problems unresolved .

    I see her campaign made up of

    80% …because I’m FG people will vote for me and

    20%…because I’m HH people will vote for me

    she’s relying on the FG vote without making any significant effort to sell herself to the electorate - in presidential elections it’s always the person first, party second - she hasn’t got that memo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,190 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    The HH campaign has not gone well and I think she is goosed, depending on turnout.

    The election has turned into a rejection more by accident than design .

    I feel this is just a skirmish…..bigger battles ahead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “Connolly is more presidential than anyone in the Dail today. “

    Fawning nonsense. The statement also makes no sense whatsoever - just what exactly is “presidential” when it’s at home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Too many things went wrong for FFG at the same time.

    So this battle is lost for FFG and the war continues?

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “Has this election turned into a rejection of FFG?”

    A rejection of their candidates certainly - but the candidates were terrible so well done public on rejecting them- but you can’t say it’s a rejection of FF/FG as the next government - we’ll have to await the next election results for that - people vote person first over party when it comes to presidential elections .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,884 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Name one who is better intellectually or oratorilly. Just one. You know exactly what I mean.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,993 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Her oratory skills are great. Her intellect is questionable. Very questionable actually. Being committed, on the side of a cause, great at explaining your stance, doesn't make you right. And it doesn't make you intellectually superior.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    It’s a nonsense statement - it’s also completely front loaded with subjectivity- an argument that would go nowhere and derail the thread - so no, I have no intention of engaging with you on this nonsense



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,884 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Ok we have done Connolly to death. Name one in the Dail who would be better. Oscar can't.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,993 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    There are loads of people in the dail, are you suggesting Connolly is intellectually superior to them all. I'm not naming anyone, but you are, so show me evidence that Connolly is intellectually superior than them all. I'd say loads of them have shown much more intellect when dealing with issues of policy and relations with our allies. She is a one trick pony. Oppose, oppose, oppose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,884 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Ok. The only one that jumps out of at me in terms of truly "presidential" is Holly Cairns but it's early days for her.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,993 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    So being "presidential" makes you intellectually superior?

    Sort of jump out to me as an argument I'd have always argued against, I did that when one or two said Connolly didn't look presidential. A shallow view imo. And as your argument of intellectual superiority rests on that, I'd say "very shallow also".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,588 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I wonder were FFG caught out when SF didn't put up a SF candidate?

    Its standard fare when SF put pressure on FFG for them to start with the snide comments and put downs for their fellow FFG TD's and diehards to latch onto as "owning" SF regardless of topic. With no SF theres been no real strategy left aside from Heather finding an old "attack Paul Murphy" script, that was utterly irrelevant but appeared all she had left.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    a) there are no smears, just questions about Connolly's recorded statements and actions

    b) Ireland will have made a mistake. Not a catastrophic one given the role, but one that will cause low level problems for 7 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭MFPM


    There's that arrogance again 'Ireland' - your tunnel vision is laughable, one Ireland, one EU, one defence policy...'TINA' is alive and well in your head....thankfully it would seem at this remove that a majority of those who intend voting on Friday have a more objective view on such matters than you seem capable of.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Anyone who dismisses the notion of 'establishment' has no business posting on a discussion about politics...laughable in the extreme!



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I have no idea what most of this means.

    I am sure you were as magnanimous and understanding and extolling the wisdom of the Irish electorate after every general election result though.



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