Israel/Palestine Thread

dePeatrick · 18-10-2025 07:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123916770#Comment_123916770

I have zero time for Hamas, but they have been found to be telling the truth. Israel n the other hand lies, and lies, and lies …..

dmcdona · 18-10-2025 07:46PM

As many here thought, it seems Israel is not holding up to the terms of the ceasefire and is using collective punishment (a war crime).

The Rafah crossing between Egypt and Gaza will open on Monday for the transfer of sick and wounded, the World Health Organization told Haaretz. Earlier, the Palestinian Embassy in Egypt said the crossing would allow Palestinians residing in Egypt to return to Gaza starting Monday.

However, late on Saturday, Netanyahu said he had ordered the crossing "closed until further notice," however. "The crossing's opening will be considered based on the manner in which Hamas fulfills its obligations in returning the deceased hostages and implementing the agreed-upon framework," a statement from his office read.

SafeSurfer · 18-10-2025 07:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123916770#Comment_123916770

If only there were professional people whose job it was to verify information and news stories like that. Journalists maybe. But no, Israel kills the journalists in Gaza and won’t allow living journalists in.

dmcdona · 18-10-2025 07:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123916629#Comment_123916629

The ICJ found the case plausible and twice issued preliminary measure for Israel to implement - which they didn't and haven't.

dmcdona · 18-10-2025 07:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123916796#Comment_123916796

And the IDF swearing blind there were no lights on those ambulances - until the video evidence was found….

sheepysheep · 18-10-2025 08:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123916020#Comment_123916020

43% of Palestininans support Hamas. I've given the link.

Therefore, on average, 4 out of every 10 people in MSF in Gaza will be Hamas affillated in some way.

So, there is a 40% chance that the people making those statements, and setting that tone, is a Hamas member.

Don't know why your ignoring that.

Sudden Valley · 18-10-2025 08:04PM

What a stupid statement. If you support a political party it does not make you a member of that party. If 40% had said they were members of Hamas then that would be a different story.

sheepysheep · 18-10-2025 08:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123916159#Comment_123916159

Saying 'Your analysis is flawed' and then 'I'm done' is not a rebuttal.

sheepysheep · 18-10-2025 08:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123916779#Comment_123916779

WEll, we know that 43% support Hamas.

What percentage despise them is up for debate.

sheepysheep · 18-10-2025 08:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123916843#Comment_123916843

It does make you ideologically aligned though.

You think there's a lot of Hamas Supporters who push back strongly on the Hamas stance regarding Israel and Jews?

Sudden Valley · 18-10-2025 08:16PM

I would say if your kid had been blown up by the IDF you may support an organisation that would attack israel. An israel has killed at least 20k kids in the last two years. supporting Hamas in an opinion poll does not automatically enroll you in the Hamas organisation in the same way supporting FG in an opinion poll makes you a paid up member of that party.

Miniegg · 18-10-2025 08:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123916838#Comment_123916838

Therefore, on average, 4 out of every 10 people in MSF in Gaza will be Hamas affillated in some way.

I'm not ignoring anything. It's simply completely factually incorrect to come to that conclusion, even if there was a smidgen of merit in that poll you are referencing. Is this true?

50% of Americans voted for Donald Trump. Therefore 50% of the Democratic party are Maga Republicans.

Now obviously that is extreme but you get my point. What you said and the argument you are putting forward is baseless nonsense. Provide proof to backup your claim, or retract it.

And btw, look up who was SG of MSF when they declared genocide (correctly) in Rwanda back in June 1994 and requested military intervention from the UN, and come back to me with your findings.

brickster69 · 18-10-2025 08:36PM

Netanyahu’s government said the Rafah crossing will stay closed “until further notice,” tying its reopening to Hamas’s return of Israeli captives’ bodies, an act Hamas condemned as political blackmail over humanitarian aid.

Hopefully those guarantors and other world leaders that were celebrating in Egypt the other day do something about it.

https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/israeli-occupation-regime-to-shut-rafah-crossing-until-furth

volchitsa · 18-10-2025 08:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123916893#Comment_123916893

The problem with your Donald Tump analogy is that people didn’t vote for Trump after he’d organised a massacre of civilians, including children. 43% expressing any degree of of support for that is shocking and is nothing like voting for Trump.

Miniegg · 18-10-2025 08:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123916929#Comment_123916929

Ok, well done to you for not understanding my post, and using it as a basis for a rant.

And while we are at this sidestep - I assume you see similar support in Israel for those carrying out genocide as also shocking?

Polls about Amalek, others showing almost complete apathy of Israelis towards the suffering of their neighbors. There are a good few of these, some by organizations within Israel.

Because I think the prevalence of murderous extremism is shocking on both sides, but I guess you will only find fault with one…

volchitsa · 18-10-2025 09:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123916943#Comment_123916943

You compared support for Hamas in Gaza with support for Trump in the US. So what have I misunderstood? It’s not comparable, for the reason I explained.

And, no I don’t support extremists on either side, and I’m well aware there are many on the Israeli side too.

Thing is though, Hamas attacked the peace activists, not the Israeli far right. Kids at a concert and actual peace activists in the kibbutzim.

That tells me that Hamas does not want peace, and moreover, actively wanted to destroy the peace movement in Israel.

Because they are a death cult, not people who will ever be willing to compromise. And the fact that nearly half of the population of Gaza still seems to support them after everything that has happened, and knowing that all Hamas have to promise to their children is more death and suffering, that to me is monstrous. Because it shows that trying to destroy Israel is still their priority, over their children’s lives and happiness.

Miniegg · 18-10-2025 09:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123917017#Comment_123917017

You compared support for Hamas in Gaza with support for Trump in the US. What have I misunderstood?

No I didn't. I showed the fallacy of using blanket applications of statistics when trying to invent a narrative.

Thing is though, Hamas attacked the peace activists, not the Israeli far right. Kids at a concert and actual peace activists in the kibbutzim.

I agree.

But where I guess I would differ in opinion from you is that I would say Israel also attacked predominantly civilians in Gaza, mostly women and children - not Hamas - and implemented a policy of starving everyone. They didn't differentiate between who was peaceful and who wasn't either.

But you won't apply the same standard to Israel's murderous rampage.

You won't say they don't want peace or declare them a death cult (despite 20,000 kids killed, whole cities and towns demolished, gunning people they have starved down when collecting aid, bombing refugee camps with 2000 ibs bombs etc.)

To you Hamas crimes, which are on a much smaller scale (i.e. 2% of killings in this conflict have been by Hamas), are indicative of death cult status amongst the whole populace of Gaza, and show a willingness to sacrifice their children to destroy Israel?? (a disgusting and false generalisation tbh).

But Israels crimes, which have accounted for 98% of people killed in this conflict, numerous declarations of genocide, with subsequent polls shows approval of 45 odd % for this genocide ala Amalek, or far higher numbers again not giving a crap about the suffering of Gazans - to you it's just a few extremists and not indicative of anything else.

Is see multiples the amount of killings committed by the IDF, a very similar extremist mentality in the general society, and extreme double standards from yourself.

tayto lover · 18-10-2025 09:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123916722#Comment_123916722

What do you think the wanted War Criminals should do ? What would be the right thing someone accused should do ?

tayto lover · 18-10-2025 09:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123916849#Comment_123916849

47% of Israelis support the Genocide.

A majority of 56 percent of Jews supported the "transfer (forced expulsion) of Arab citizens of Israel to other countries." And when asked directly whether they agreed with the position that the IDF, "when conquering an enemy city, should act in a manner similar to the way the Israelites acted when they conquered Jericho under the leadership of Joshua, namely, to kill all its inhabitants?" nearly half, 47 percent, agreed.

dePeatrick · 18-10-2025 09:46PM

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/oct/18/israel-has-violated-ceasefire-47-times-and-killed-38-palestinians-says-gaza-media-office

The Guardian trusts them as well.

ClimateObserver · 18-10-2025 10:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123917017#Comment_123917017

It's often said that Hamas sympathisers hate Israel more than they love their own kids.

dePeatrick · 19-10-2025 02:49AM

https://youtu.be/FX7rqKQQ0IQ?si=41OngaI45qOv_VMK

UK media regulator Ofcom has accused the BBC of “serious breach” over a documentary narrated by a 13-year-old boy in Gaza — because it failed to disclose that he was the son of a Gaza agriculture ministry.

The film, “Gaza: How to Survive a Warzone,” gave voice to children living through Israel’s genocide.

Ofcom ruled that not revealing the child’s parent’s job was “materially misleading.” The BBC pulled the documentary within five days — after only 20 complaints.

Let that sink in: a film humanizing Palestinian children — bombed, starved, and orphaned — was censored, not for factual errors, but for who the child’s father was.

No such scrutiny is applied when Israeli soldiers, government spokespeople, or settlers’ families dominate Western screens without disclaimer.

This isn’t about “impartiality.” It’s about silencing Palestinian humanity.

dmcdona · 19-10-2025 04:33AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123916849#Comment_123916849

There you go with the "we know that" nonsense.

You pulled out a poll from 5 months ago that is now irrelevent.

We know that 5% said they'd vote for Jim Gavin. And he may get 5% of the vote - but regardless of who votes for him, he won't be president.

You'll probably keep banging out that 43% number ad infinitum but it is meaningless.

dmcdona · 19-10-2025 04:48AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123917017#Comment_123917017

Israel also attacked and executed those at the concert and kibbutzim - so by your measure, they are a death cult too.

Tell us - how is the destruction of Israel going for Hamas?

Now tell us how the destruction of Gaza is going for Israel? I'd say they've done a right good job of it. And will be served justice for Genocide and War Crimes.

But given you deny there is famine in Gaza because the Gazans are all fat and that there is no Genocide, you'll just regurgitate the Hasbara all day long and tell us that the Gazans have been really really mean to Israel - and deserve to die.