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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,865 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I know, I disagree. I think he selected what he thinks is his best team for this match and he absolutely wasn't just giving people a chance/rotating.

    Alas, I suspect we won't find out who is right as it looks like Gleeson might have broken his arm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,993 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Which would include Wycherley ahead of Kleyn and Dan Kelly,ahead of Nankivell. Na, I don't buy it tbh. I think the best you could say is he picked on form. (And even then, I'd dispute Kelly ahead of Nankivell).

    But it is a real shame Gleeson has broken his arm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,000 ✭✭✭almostover


    He has 3 caps, last one being in 2022. Not much of a chance really. URC winner since...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,993 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    And to add to this, we also know that being camped on 5m line, and being held up over the line is something that Ireland have struggled with.

    Add to this a change in style last season, where we kicked the ball more frequently, had fewer phases, fewer rucks, and suddenly he looks a far better fit than with the attacking shape we had under Mike Catt, for example.

    I posted this back in April and my opinion hasn't changed substantially tbh:

    The argument against Coombes for Ireland was that he wasn't quick enough or linked the play well enough to play Ireland's high-tempo, high number of ruck, possession-based game.

    Ireland are now transitioning to a game, with fewer rucks, fewer phases, fewer passes per phases, where we kick earlier and more frequently. We've also looked under-powered at times culminating in being held up over the line a high number of times during the 6N. Couple this with POM retiring and Baird not really taking his chances, and Coombes has to start seeing more game time for Ireland, imo.

    It'd be a mistake to continue to overlook him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    Aki is still a superb player and rescued us against Wales and had some great performances for the Lions this year, he's just not an 80 minute player anymore. We don't have another power athlete in the centre like him so I suspect he'll still be around for this RWC cycle.

    I don't necessarily think Henshaw (or McCloskey) should be retired but there isn't anything about their game that's especially different to other centres and don't think they should be constant selections when others are playing better. Dan Kelly especially is the type of age profile we badly need so I hope team Ireland don't do an Antoine Frisch on it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,642 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I thought Soroka played well in a struggling team. He was very strong in the tackle and in the set piece. Hoping he can maintain that, good option for Ireland in the future



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭daithi7




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,865 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Antoine Frisch is not that good and Ireland were completely correct to not cap him. The fact that Kelly has come in and been better should make that clear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,358 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    I think Coombes potentially is just very unlucky with who is currently in the squad. Does he get ahead of McCarthy/Beirne at 4, Beirne/Baird at 6 or Doris/Conan at 8, in my opinion, no to all. The caveat being Baird hasn’t taken his chances as you said but I don’t think 6 is Coombes best position either.

    Should he be in the wider squad and given another shot for Ireland though, yes he probably should.

    With Gleesons injury, Conan being pulled from the game tonight and Doris still injured, he could very well see himself at 8 against New Zealand in two weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,370 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Farrell is a brilliant coach and motivator so we're hoping he can coax the best out of this squad again. Selection has always been one of his strong points too. He'll have them ready for Chicago.

    But on the face of it, things aren't as good as they could be. A lot of Leinster players look quite unprepared for the start of the new season. Going into a test window off the back of one club game isn't ideal. Especially one where you were firmly second best technically and in the collisions.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Agree he was exceptional for much of the game. The foul for a YC on VDF was brain dead tho, really not acceptable from a coaching point of view. Then his teammate had Josh lined up perfectly for a big hit that was wasted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 593 ✭✭✭exiledawaynothere


    Although it seems that the ref/TMO got the wrong player.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭ersatz


    don’t think so, but I might be wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 593 ✭✭✭exiledawaynothere


    There is a thread on Reddit and a few not sure A I thought it was JOD. Whatever happened was cynical - whether Coombes or JOD but Ryan should have been (at least) penalized for a croc roll.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,993 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,562 ✭✭✭✭phog


    With the scoreline being the way it was I wouldn't call it brain dead at all. Only for the TMO that's missed and Leinster miss out on a consolation try at the end.

    One thing I will say JGP put more effort into trying to get penalties from the ref than playing the ball, JvdF wasn't far behind him, though he rightly called his hand been played in that ruck. The ref has enough of them in the first half not to mind by the end of the game. Is this something that's coached into them to milk penalties to get field position? If you took away their scrum penalties last night they didn't offer much punch going forward with ball in hand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,562 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Coombes is down for 18 tackles, that's off the bench and he got under JvdF to prevent him scoring a try. I don't know how others can't see that effort from him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 460 ✭✭Bart97


    They also beat South Africa in white last week which should provide some confidence!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,477 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    I've always thought this. Assume there is a logistical/admin reason behind it, getting the paperwork done for 40 odd people to travel to the US probably eats up a few houes of the day, but yes you'd have to wonder whether a squad picked next week would be different to a squad picked last week. Probably not massively.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 geoff2204


    Great game last night and delighted with Munster win. I really do think they made a statement to Irish rugby. Please for the interest of the national team can management pick from players playing at this level. If you are third choice for Leinster the expectation should be you need to move away AND become first choice to play for Ireland. It will be better for the national team and encourage competition/ambition etc



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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,491 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Are there any right wingers fit? Hansen, Nash, TOB, Larmour... do I need to ask if Baloucoune is fit?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,069 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Since this game involves the Ireland squad missing a round of the URC (including an interpro), giving the provinces a few days’ notice of who’s called up would be very unfair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,539 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    The provinces are there to serve the national team not the other way round so not sure this would come into their consideration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,573 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Id like to think there will be a few more call ups after the weekend. Let's face it there should be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,562 ✭✭✭✭phog


    The announcement could have been made today, would the bulk of the callups change, hardly likely. Could one or two change, you'd like to think so.

    The provinces have to take stock now anyways, all 4 picked up injuries in their games this weekend, would losing one or two more players from a Sunday call up rather than a mid week call.up make a huge difference, probably not.

    Would the IRFU/Farrell really care how the provinces feel about a player being called up to the national squad for a game that's being played outside the international window



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,069 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Yeah but you also want a basic level of working relationship between the two.

    Either way, the squad assembles tomorrow for a flight on Tuesday, they had to name it last week.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,865 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    He should be capped. I get why he isn't given his age, but it would make more sense than sticking with Henshaw.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,993 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    And I agree. But the broader point being, just cos Farrell picks him doesn’t de facto mean it’s the right decision / he’s picked the better player etc.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,865 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I said nothing about Farrell's judgement being "defacto" correct. I just think not picking Frisch was correct because I don't rate him that highly, and nothing he has done since moving to France suggests anything different. It absolutely wasn't a mistake to not cap him, anymore than it was with Healy - both decisions I think fully vindicated. That doesn't mean mistakes can't be made going forward



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,993 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Nor does it mean mistakes haven't been made in the past.



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