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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭tastyt


    This week the papers have been absolutely full of rape , stabbings and murder by immigrants

    The government and left can excuse all the above but watch them go absolutely crazy if anyone says hurty words about people who have no business being here or any interest in our culture or way of life .

    Remember the government are literally taking money out of our homes and giving it to these rapists and murderers instead of our sick children , elderly and homeless



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,217 ✭✭✭jackboy


    In fairness the government have plenty of money for both but where does the money go. It goes to their cronies profiteering from IPAS with the politicians not needing to do any work. Putting money into improving things for citizens is complex and very hard work, that's not going to happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    Exactly the Government has done zero work on the expenditure side and the revenue/income side its just US multinationals propping up the economy. The whole Irish political/economic situation is just simply extraordinary when you see other countries fighting over millions and our lot handing out billions of money like no tomorrow. They really have no clue though and are just riding the extraordinary wealth we have received from terrible US tax policy. Until the tide changes on US MNCs nothing changes, as they themselves have benefitted from globalisation, it is an ideology that all parties agree with, so nothing changes until the countries economic situation changes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    If you don't mind me saying so, a lot of your comments seem to be about the quality of the posts people make on this forum rather than points about the topic itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,302 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    There’s a letter in today’s Indo from the CEO of some NGO saying while it’s costly to accommodate the new Irish it’s affordable for one of the richest countries in the world and reminds us the Brehon laws mandate us to feed and clothe anyone who arrives at our door.

    This is what we’re up against



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,302 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Anyone else have no service in Dublin 14?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,731 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Wait until the EU Migration Pact kicks in.

    We ain't seen nothing yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,318 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    There's no coherent argument for what's being done to the country.

    It's all well and good for Martin/Harris and their NGO cronies to grandstand about how rich the country is and how we should be "kind". They are not the ones who are paying the bill for it, it's the working people who are suffering. The recent budget should only highlight this to people. We're spending billions on migrants and asylum while the ordinary working person got tax hikes.

    This is why I refuse to back Humphreys in the presidential election this week. This government and their candidate won't listen to me, therefore they don't deserve my vote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,217 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Politicians and NGOs talking about how rich the country is, is justification for transferring tax payers money into crony bank accounts. It's gaslighting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,245 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Yes we are super rich.

    So rich that we only have debt of 218 billion....drop in the ocean

    EVENFLOW



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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 58,099 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Pfft, we're amateurs when it comes to economic debt.

    US debt is 38 trillion.

    UK is 3.9 trillion

    Germany operate at about 3 trillion and France about the same.

    They'd also be considered super rich in spite of the monstrous debt they have.

    *Estimated figures I didn't go into too much depth on it.

    Anyways, all countries have a certain level of economic debt tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    We're fairly high by EU standards, however. 6th out of 27 in terms of national debt per capita.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    No.. there's 3 ipas within 500 metres... Asylum, mount st. marys, and some other place with rows of bunk beds.. no planning permission either



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,245 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Ya wait till things get tough here and see where the "pfft" will go.

    Its not something to take lightly.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭tastyt


    The answer to this is not complex or hard . Stop the benefits and stop housing them .

    Say no , whatever penalties the EU give the country will pale in comparison to the billions we are spending but more to the damage we are doing to the country now and for our children’s futures


    Simple but unfortunately it takes politicians whose goal is a better future for Irish people and not their own European political ambition . Corruption and liars unfortunately



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 58,099 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    I'm not taking it lightly at all just pointing out that most countries have substantial economic debt so it's not really an indicator of anything tbh. Other than the rich getting richer but that's a discussion for a different type of thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,731 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Our debt would be half as bad if FF hadn't sold us down the river 15 years ago.

    Only in Ireland would a man who was part of that government be the Taoiseach in 2025.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    The other presidential candidate will do nothing to discuss immigration either, I expect she will be worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    https://www.thejournal.ie/interpreters-bill-courts-service-ireland-6848629-Oct2025/

    2 million quid spent on interpreters in the courts in the first 6 months of the year alone

    How enriching for us all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 112 ✭✭_Quilombero_


    It's gas how multiculturalism means difference, yet if you suggest that some of the differences that characterise certain foreign cultures might be harmful to our society, you're deemed intolerant. You're only allowed to mention differences in a positive context. Disadvantageous differences don't exist, apparently.

    Post edited by Necro on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,070 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Was this meant to be directed at me? I am unsure where I have been commenting on the "quality of the posts people make" — even in the post you replied to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 383 ✭✭rdser


    We haven't destroyed the country. FFG have. This is on them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭Will0483


    All of this discussion ignores the fact that we can literally just look at the UK which has had far more immigration from the third-world for far longer than we have had. It clearly has made large swathes of the midlands and London virtually unrecognisable in one or two generations. Parts of Birmingham have less than 5% white British people as residents. These areas are significantly poorer and have higher crime and other issues versus areas that have less immigrants.

    No sane person would look at the UK and think that Ireland would want to suffer the same fate. Once the immigration error is made, it is very difficult and expensive to deport your way out of it as many of the worst areas are third and fourth generation immigrants at this stage with full citizenship.

    We simply need to wake up and look at what has been happening all over Europe before doing away with our own country and culture at the altar of living up to our "obligations" which is just politically correct virtue signalling rubbish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,070 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    The measures that one wants to see introduced depends on what negative you are trying to remedy.

    My own views on reducing migration would be focused more on implementing tougher measures at both the State and EU level against irregular migration (including a tougher asylum and deportation procedure), as well as more positive measures as regards working more closely and collaboratively with countries of origin to combat the problem. Personally speaking, from my own perspective the main downsides from migration come in the form of irregular migration or more generally in the form of migrants who have no intention of working, contributing or participating in a wider community despite being well able. And my own thoughts on that extend to tougher measures against those native people in this country who don't work, don't contribute, and who believe that the concept of "Irish people first" is an entitlement to have things handed to them. People talk a lot about the Brazilian delivery cyclists in Dublin yet less seems to be said about the young native Dubliners who are often seen abusing and even attacking them (not to mention robbing their bikes and everyone else's). How many jobs could these young lads be doing in their local community that otherwise have to be filled by migrants?

    If however you are talking about reducing migration all the way to the point where you slow population growth in a way that would materially impact housing demand, then you are getting into the more drastic territory. That's because you would have to target the working migrant community who form the majority of migrants — those who work enough to afford rent and to save up to buy homes. You're also talking about implementing long term positive solutions to slow the skill-drain from this country in the form of emigration to then reduce the need to rely on migrant workers. You are probably also talking about promoting start-up culture in this country and home grown entrepreneurs to reduce our reliance on FDI. These policies require positive vision-painting — but unfortunately the Right tends to focus only on the things that pertain to negative language, such as restrictions / prohibitions etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,377 ✭✭✭Danye


    https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/irish-crime/gangster-child-rapist-and-predator-hotel-porter-among-23-romanians-deported-from-ireland/a1299532676.html


    Would these individuals named in the above article have been vetted before coming into Ireland? Or would they have to be?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,268 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    To quote a "British" MP below and show how our new arrivals might one day extend the same D&I they are receiving currently...

    "Their arrival in Aston - a diverse and predominantly Muslim community - poses a real risk of tensions within the community and disorder."

    Id love to think the above would be a wake up call to the extreme left elements championing our new arrials but im confident that bothing would convince them of the negative future impacts this will have on the island.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,070 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Does there ever come a moment when people on here accept that this is not a left / right thing? There have been right wing and left wing governments in power over the last 100 years in the West and migration has trended upwards regardless. The UK veered rightwards in the run-up to the Brexit referendum, they got to a point where the likes of Priti Patel was Home Secretary. The end result was record levels of immigration. Georgia Meloni talked tough on migration before she was elected. A naval blockade to stop the boats — finally we would have the sheer common sense of right wing politics in the Mediterranean. The end result? Meloni's abandonment of the blockade, the acceptance of the need for migration and a movement towards an idea that collaborative policies between EU countries to tackle and reduce migration are the way forward. She championed the very same EU Migration Pact that many on here decry.

    Immigration also exists because of things you want too. There are rights, freedoms, conveniences, services, benefits and all manner of things that all individual citizens want that in some way have contributed to both the ease of migration and the need for it. You will never solve the immigration issue as long you continue to delude yourself that it's all some other ideology's fault. It is a topic that requires humility as to the enormity of managing it effectively.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,268 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Id agree actually. I call it left because thats the terminology used on the internet.

    Its much better aligned to words like competent/incompetent, sensible/nonsensical, sanity/madness etc.

    Im plenty left on a wide array of topics but im not a fool on any.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    You're second paragraph is where I think a lot of people get things wrong. You say slowing population growth to a point that would materially impact housing growth would mean we have to "target" the working immigrant community in this country.

    This is not the case. Those already here that form the working immigrant community would remain and, in fact, would directly benefit from fewer new immigrants.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,070 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    That's fair enough, but whatever you want to call it, it requires introspection and an ability to self-blame. If you do not, you will only ever approach migration from one side of the story — and this is why we have always ended up with the great 'whack-a-mole' game of migration policy where you smack one thing on the head only for another side-effect to pop its head up. I mean, this thread is a pretty incessant process of people blaming the left / the government / FFG / 'anyone-but-me' for a process which has been going on across the Western world for decades and even centuries — completely ignoring the fact that every political hue has played a role.

    When the so-called competent, sensible, sane people take power — watch them whack a mole on the head and another mole pops up. Just like the people they called incompetent, non-sensible and insane.



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