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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,891 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Heather smearing hard as Yates recommended. I loved the Farage reference 😂

    Why do they always try to paint a clearly left wing politician with right wing ideologies??

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭spark_tank


    Missing this one. Did Heather mention that she lives 6 miles from the border, visited Mary McAleese's old school recently, used to manage a credit union?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,891 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yep. And she will be a president for the people....

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,891 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Catherine is never caught out on any loaded question. Heather doesn't answer the question asked. That's how these debates work.

    Yet another solid 2-0 win for Connolly.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭jmcc


    These debates get viewers and listeners. That's their real purpose for the media. The presidency may not be relevant for most people but it is for the parties. FG has never won the presidency and it had a very strong chance with McGuinness. Now, FG has Humphreys and she is facing a defamation action. Connolly was on 17% a few weeks ago and now she is leading the polls. FF screwed up because Martin wanted to impose his mini-me, Gavin, rather than an FF candidate with a chance of winning. The political fallout of this election will be interesting. It could end up taking out two party leaders and causing a split in Labour.

    Regards…jmcc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,000 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Yet she still never answered exactly who organised the Syrian trip.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,000 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    It certainly has weakened both FF and FG leaders. I think there is perhaps a more nuanced difference in Labour. Baciks backing of Connolly and bringing them on a platform with SF isn't going down to well with some members and supporters. I think some see it as a hijacking of them and has seen their backing of her as less significant now. Bacik should have seen that coming?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭tarvis


    Political trips are organised by political folk. I am sure those on such trips have the wit and intelligence to see through any airbrushing of the truths. One can get a picture of horror despite the individual who is acting as ‘ tour guide ‘



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,914 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    If it was just "political people" then she'd have no difficulty in saying who they were.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,570 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Some might say that’s why she’s allegedly 2-0 up😀

    I didn’t hear this debate but sounds like I missed nothing - both candidates are just reiterating the key messages they decided on, on day 1- every “debate” is the same now and I don’t see the RTÉ debate next week being any different.

    I’m starting to wonder how all of this is organised and agreed? Is one candidate saying yes to everything and the other then has to go along with it for fear of being criticised for not participating?

    I can’t remember this level of interviews and debates in previous elections - it’s complete overkill - even if you missed a debate you can play it back any time you want .

    Obviously CC is winning the debates and interviews so it’s been advantageous to her on many different levels - but it’s still overkill - would we have had the same number if there were 4-5 candidates I wonder?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,000 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Nothing new, Connolly looked and sounded tired though. I'd say she will be glad to be able to relax after it's all over. A stint in the Aras will be less taxing than the last few months😊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Someone has to tell Humphreys to stop throwing in factually wrong jibes, ('Some here supported Brexit') because she just succeeds in getting her arse handed to her when the reply comes, every time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,891 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yeah yeah and the Syrian trip from 2018 is so so important. It defines what our presidency is all about and is one of the most important issues facing Ireland today. Nobody cares about a random trip to visit refugees or who organised it. Stand back a little and think about how ridiculous the never ending questions about a random trip is. Is that all they have??? Those questions actually just bore me to tears.

    What are they trying to prove? That Catherine Connolly did militia training and learned how to use an AK47 and tortured prisoners and joined ISIS? It was a trip to a refugee camp 2 years after she entered the Dail. I'd say she works harder than all of the FFG TDs.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,379 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Humphries losing won't take out Harris. I don't think many people are drawing a line between those two the way they are with Martin. It's very much wishful thinking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,891 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    She does look tired. It must be exhausting. I think she is quite shocked at the shallow nature of the debates/interviews. She is off to Kerry now.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭jmcc


    If Connolly wins, Bacik's position in Labour is much stronger. Labour's only way back from the political wilderness (as inflicted by Alan Kelly and the other FFG leaning Labourites) is as part of a combined Left with a potential voting pact. The reality for Labour hit home when it didn't have enough TDs and senators to nominate a Labour candidate and didn't have the money to fund a campaign. It is no longer a Tier 1 party along with FF, SF and FG. Despite the FFG leaning Labourites backing Humphreys, backing Connolly was probably the only way of Labour remaining somewhat relevant.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,000 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Ah, that's fair comment mostly. She is who and what she is and committed to it. I think you're right, the press and opponents threw everything they had at her and apart from saying it wasn't what they'd have done, they haven't proved anything untoward in anything shs done and how she does things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,856 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Anyone have a link where I can Listen back. Really appreciated thanks in advance

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Harris is already on thin ice. Connolly winning could be the justification to get rid of him. The one thing that FG could gain from this would be the first female Taoiseach (Carroll MacNeill). That might be some compensation for failing to get an FG president elected yet again.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,379 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Harris is on thin ice because he has no personality. It will eventually kill him but it won't be after this.

    We won't see either leader go until after their time as Taoiseach is up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 781 ✭✭✭feelings


    So Heather claimed yesterday that Paul Murphy was Catherine Connolly’s campaign manager, and this morning she’s saying Connolly supported Brexit.


    Yet no interviewer is calling out these lies? The desperation is really starting to accelerate. Ivan is probably cheering it on from the sidelines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    There is a huge amount of effort into making this election something worth thinking about.

    From the Left Unity campaign its the whole idea that Ivan Yates might suggest to HH to smear CC, but it forgets that this approach is completely wrong from the HH campaign, and that Ivan knows as much as the Left Unity supporters about voting intentions.

    HH if she wants to win needs to get her FG supporters to vote, their not invested in this campaign, so I don't see them going to the polls.

    On the other had the idea that by spoiling your vote is a vote for HH could be further from the truth as the Left Unity people try to some how suggest that those going to spoil their vote were planning to ever vote for CC, they were not.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,000 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    I can see that point. Labour have been soft left and it has reaped its reward for them at times. Going further left will actually probably only throw them further into obscurity imo. They have on many occasions been seen as an alternative voice for centrists who weren't happy with FF and FG. Going further left dilutes that vote and places them as having little more hope of reaching power than pbp, and any raft of independent leftists, competing with them even. Rather than challenging the dominance of SF the centrists seeking change from FF/FG, they are helping SF take over from the old Labour. SFs celebration of a Connolly win will be heard the loudest when this is all over. The split in Labour over their backing her will get more headlines than their backing of her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭tarvis


    And not one of them is a ‘debate’, More like inquisitions with the same questions ad nauseam.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,856 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Im still listening to the debate, and il give my thoughts after it finishes.

    Not going to get into the weeds on Paul Murphy. I felt it was a stupid topic for Humphreys to raise, im unsure whether Murphys defamation case will be successful; but it was tactically moronic to bring the Joan Burton incident into this election. Since you mention it, Im assuming it comes up in this debate, IMHO needlessly, and broadly benificial to Connolly I think. Big miss-step for HH to make this a campaign issue

    On Brexit and the EU, its far more complicated. CC has a long history of opposing EU treaty reforms, and campaigned for NO in many such referendums. She is associated with the Left Wing eurosceptic faction, that sits in the EU Parliament, and I dont think this fact can be credibly denied. This block is not seeking to form a Left Wing majority in Brussels, but rather campaigns to strip down and degrade the functioning of the EU as a whole. The bloc originates from the 1970s and i personally have always associated it with the positioning of Tony Benn in the UK

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bennism

    It is not a stretch to say that, Connolly is eurosceptic along those lines, and people need to really do some homework on this. No, its not the same as UKIP adjacent nationalism, and no valid comparison can be made to Farage, or Orban et al. But she remains, IMHO, a left leaning Eurosceptic, and its valid to question this positioning as it relates to suitability for the role of President.

    On Brexit, her immediate response in the days after, does indicate level of satisfaction on her part; You can read into it what you want, but she praised the brexit vote, as 'standing up to EU Bullys'. And immediately attacked the grass roots 'Second referendum' movement, that had not fully emerged yet. Its not a smear to highlight these things.

    Anyway, im gonna listen on and then give my impression of the debate as a whole.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭Caquas


    The same ceremonial post that cost Alan Dukes his job and marked the beginning of the end for John Bruton. Perhaps you think young Simon is a greater leader than either of them. FG thought their long, hard road to the Áras was nearing its end but it’s turned into a permanent curse.

    CC will make FG and FF long for the days of Michael D. who picked his moments of outrage so astutely and packaged it all as “discourse”. If she won a second term and FG are still in power, the fight will be no holds barred.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭kieranwaldron


    I believe Catherine Connolly would suck up to the Catholic Church as president. Where does she stand on issues involving the Catholic Church such as sexual abuse by their priests, the Magdalene laundries or mother and baby homes ? Should the Catholic Church not be required to contribute financially toward people affected by the church's past misdeeds ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,379 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It only reflects badly on Harris if you believe he made a terrible choice. His first and strong choice pulled out and then he gave the party a vote. They picked who they thought was the best of those who stepped forward.

    Humphries isn't on him and I don't really see anyone suggesting otherwise.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,856 ✭✭✭liamtech


    As much as I believe that CC is not suitable for the roll of President, i have seen no evidence that would indicate she would be influenced by the catholic church. She supported marriage equality, and repealling the 8th. By all means you can research her stances on other issues, but I havent seen any evidence of her being anything less than secular. All of which i would agree with BTW

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



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