Clontarf golf club offered land swap

There's a clear societal benefit to more housing being built in a prime location with great public transport links.

There is far less of a societal benefit to a golf course only accessible to it's 1,400 members in that location.

Wondering about this also. The golf club have a 99 year lease with DCC, 1991 until 2090. How does that work? If Cairn buys the club’s interest in the lease, they have a lease for another 65 years but doesn’t the land still belong to DCC?

Or is the millions being offered by Cairn only for the 10.6 acres that the club actually owns?

From what I have heard there hasn't been a vote…

St Anne's Park is staying forever don't worry...Clontarf golf course is not.

With the value the land has, it's hard to see any alternative other than it being used for accommodation in the future. But in the meantime, I don't see the club members giving up the rights to the land unless there is an amount of money offered that is more substantial than what's being offered currently.

Mentioned here before but the membership base is on the older side, mostly local and well tenured in the club and likely wouldn't be in favour of going from a shorter course to a 7000+ yard championship style course an extra 20-30 mins up the road.

I used to live there, and it was a great spot. A lot of new higher developments going in there at the moment too. I think Clontarf could go higher than 6 storeys myself. A lot of developments I look at now, and think they are too small. But still don't want anything to overbearing. The Glass Bottle site, and the new apartments at Ashtown look a bit too dense to me, but would work better if the buildings were broken up more.

Any members if clontarf here?

I play with one.

The money offered was apparently the cost of the other course and a cash amount to the club.

I think it was 75 mil total

60 for a course

15 to the club, but not necessarily to the individual members was his understanding

How many members are there in the club?

It's great for the members, but other than those 1,000 or so people it's not really serving anyone else. Golf courses that close to city centres are hard to defend in terms of land use. It exists is it's only real defence. If it didn't and you were to talk about what to put there - you'd be thinking of housing, childcare facilities, community centres, sports pitches, maybe a swimming pool…. no-one in a million years would suggest a golf club.

What should the club do - for the sake of the current members they should probably stay put. If that money is staying in the club, they're not going to benefit personally from it. Their commute to the new club will be an inconvenience and I'm not sure with the age profile there they'll even prefer a big fancy course. But for the sake of the club as it's own entity they should move. The land is too small for a great course, the younger members will look for more suitable courses and the older members won't be there forever.

Is the council likely to sell? Would require a vote of the full council. I think its unlikely that DCC will vote in favour of giving land they own to a developer. More likely that they will directly or in partnership with the LDA develop it as social housing.

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I was thinking about it in the context of the golf club selling their own land and moving to Kinsealy. Im guessing that the lease is automatically terminated if the golf club is no longer using it for golf/sporting purposes.

Is the Kinsealy course still going to be developed?, despite of Clontarf outcome, then sold to some fund/investor etc. Kinsealy easier to get to timewise than Portmarnock (Jameson) / St Margaret's for people living in Drumcondra / Fairview / Clontarf etc., especially since those people can't get into Clontarf GC - be a great addition.