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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,943 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    As ever, there are questions to be answered over prisoners released and not released

    "Release Dr. Hussam Abu Safiya!

    Dr. Hussam Abu Safiya, director of Kamal Adwan hospital and a prominent voice of Gaza’s decimated healthcare sector, is still being arbitrarily detained by Israeli authorities since his arrest on 27 December. A lawyer who visited him and other detainees, recently reported that he has been subjected to abuse and other ill-treatment. Join us in demanding his immediate and unconditional release."

    https://www.amnesty.org/en/petition/release-dr-hussam-abu-safiya/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Yes, here is one article that mentions overfeeding

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/freed-hostages-suffered-torture-starvation-and-long-periods-of-isolation-reports/

    And another

    https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-870373

    It seems to be in relation to 2 of them in particular

    Regarding the red cross, this is only since the Oct 7 attacks and hamas' refusal to allow the red cross visit the hostages or reveal their locations. Its not that 'strange' for a party to use this as leverage in negotiations, although im not condoning it at all.

    Post edited by ceadaoin. on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,397 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    You have to laugh at the language used continuously in relation to what Israel does. Israel just keeps "detainees", while HAMAS keeps "hostages".

    People are "detained" when their holiday flight is delayed, not when you're lifted off the street by the IDF to be used as a future bargaining chip.

    No. Israel keeps thousands of hostages, some of whom are children and others have been held hostage for, literally, years without even a single charge being brought against them.

    Post edited by Tony EH on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,379 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    From #C4News last night: "Israel returned 45 more bodies to Gaza today... [some] were blindfolded and handcuffed, others bore marks suggesting they'd be run over by tanks"

    A Palestinian life still not worth the same as an Israeli.. still not one of the chosen people I suppose...

    Starmer seems to be more concerned about the Maccabi Tel-Aviv fans not being allowed travel…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,379 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    Israel has killed 15 civilians since the ceasefire has come into effect. According to the untrustworthy Hamas run UN...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,484 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    This seems to have enraged a lot of right wing commentators in the UK. They don't appear to be aware of the Maccabi fans' reputation for being hooligans and violent thugs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,193 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    anti-semitysomething apparantly

    Israel should be kicked out of sporting competitions and it is shameful that UEFA is still allowing their participation

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,193 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Indeed, they are foaming at the mouth that their beloved Israeli hooligans are being denied the chance to riot and then run to the media claiming they were victims of a pogrom.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Birmingham should be safe on 6 November.

    Blocking Maccabi Tel Aviv fans from attending an Aston Villa match is the "wrong decision", the prime minister has said.

    Followers of the Israeli team will not be allowed to attend the Europa League match on 6 November because of safety concerns, the body responsible for issuing safety certificates for matches said on Thursday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,484 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Imagine these British commentators being cheerleaders for foreign football hooligans. This whole Zionist supporting malarkey is crazy stuff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Why didn't your lads give the Palestinian hostages medical treatment and give them farewell presents (some food and baby formula and new shiny clothes) before their release?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    His detention without trial period has been extended after Israel played nasty games with him around possible release with the other hostages.

    https://www.frontlinedefenders.org/en/case/israeli-court-extends-administrative-detention-dr-hussam-abu-safiya-six-months



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Starmer was comic trying to get himself into the photos for the ceasefire signing in Egypt. He will go down as the worst ever PM?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭wildgreen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Israel has published photos of the dead Yahya Sinwar to celebrate the death of a feared enemy.

    According to the report, "Sinwar was wounded in the strike and fled to a nearby structure, where he sat on a chair. An army drone scanned the area, located him, and as he tried to hit it with a wooden plank, he was struck by heavy fire. Sinwar bled for hours before dying of his wounds."

    The publication of the image drew mixed reactions in Israel and abroad, with supporters praising it as a symbolic victory, while critics accused the army of "glorifying killing" and attempting to rewrite the narrative of the war.

    An autopsy of his body conducted by Israeli authorities confirmed he had not eaten for three days before his death. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Spain and Spaniards should be proud of their support for Palestine.

    Tens of thousands of people across Spain took to the streets on Wednesday, as part of a nationwide general strike in solidarity with Palestine and in protest against Israel's war on Gaza.

    The strike, backed by trade unions and pro-Palestine groups, saw major demonstrations in Barcelona, Madrid, Seville, Valencia, and Bilbao.

    In Valencia, hundreds of demonstrators gathered outside the Roig Arena, where Valencia Basket was playing the Israeli team Hapoel Tel Aviv behind closed doors for security reasons.

    Protesters chanted "Where are the sanctions on Israel?" and "Gaza is bleeding, Europe is watching!" as police clashed with crowds trying to block traffic. Officers used tear gas, leading to five arrests and four injuries, including three police officers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,120 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    You are aware that Israel has refused the International Red Cross permission to visit the more than 10,000 Palestinian prisoners since October 7th 2023.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭wildgreen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭joebloggs32


    It infuriates me how people and actions are labelled anti semitic when they dare criticise Israeli's.

    As an atheist I don't give two hoots what religion anyone is. The police in Birmingham have taken a logical decision and now all the talking heads in Britain are labelling them as being anti semitic, when all they are guilty of is being pragmatic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,622 ✭✭✭Gerry T


    They were gifted a country. The previous region was populated by jews and arabs. So yes, a gift.

    Countries may have disputes over shared water, but then have ended in legal agreements, this was seen in many shared water regions. India and pakistan is a good example with a treaty signed in the '60s. What Israel wants is an agreement where they control the water and have the right to shut if off. Only a scumbag would make that their starting position.

    As an equipped army goes, they are a bunch of farmers with sticks. Why didn't the idf prevent this from happening, why was the hannibal order give, causing hundreds of additional Israeli deaths. How many Israeli people were killed by the idf. Its allmost like Nethanyahu allowed this to happen so he could flatten Palestine



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,193 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    You cannot possibly be pragmatic (or ethical or humanitarian or decent) against Israel or Israeli teams or Israeli companies without being accused of antisemitism by some talking head or randomer. The weaponisation of the descriptor has meant it has lost all meaning (the folk using it ad nauseum are too dumb to understand that they are actually undermining it).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,134 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    A Jewish professor at Cornell University who had a dispute with an Israeli student has been forced to resign. The dispute centred around the student’s behaviour in a course on Gaza, including his possible recording of other students.He also secretly recorded Professor Cheyfitz when he was asked to drop the course. Incredibly, this student alleged he was a former member of Israel’s spy agency, Unit 8200!

    Cheyfitz acknowledged that he had asked the graduate student to quit the course in a conversation in late January but denied it had anything to do with the student’s Israeli identity. The graduate student recorded that exchange and used it as evidence in a discrimination complaint. Cheyfitz said he had not been told that he was being recorded.

    The graduate student, Oren Renard, a PhD candidate in computer science whose identity was confirmed by other students in the class, once served in Unit 8200, the Israeli military’s equivalent to America’s National Security Agency, according to an archived copy of his LinkedIn profile. (He has since removed the references to the unit from his profile.) Luna Droubi, Cheyfitz’s lawyer, said that Cheyfitz was acting to protect others in the class who had come to him with concerns that Renard appeared to be surreptitiously recording them during discussions, possibly to “gather their names and comments” and intimidate them. Cheyfitz also claimed that Renard often came to class unprepared and argumentative.

    Over the course of the spring semester, Professor Cheyfitz taught us about Indigenous sovereignty and led us in discussions on comparative histories of settler colonialism. We analyzed Palestinian poetry and understood U.N. definitions of genocide. The approximately 13-person seminar was held in a small meeting room on the top floor of Caldwell Hall, home to the American Indian and Indigenous Studies Program.

    For a few classes, we were joined by Computer Science PhD student Oren Renard. While every other member of the class demonstrated a shared commitment to being part of an academic community of questions and dialogue, it was immediately clear that Oren had come to disrupt. In one instance, while we were engaged in a discussion about the Geneva Convention on Genocide, he began an abrupt and irrelevant tirade unequivocally justifying Israel’s bombing of Gaza. With his interjections, it was obvious that Renard did not join the class to engage in discussions about the reading material or have good-faith conversations about indigeneity and genocide. Renard's participation in the course led only to tension and stood in the way of other students' ability to participate in class conversations freely and without judgement.

    Many of us were particularly disturbed by these incidents and approached Professor Cheyfitz with fears that we were being recorded with the intention of doxxing us later. Renard‘s actions even led a Palestinian student to drop the class — because they felt that Prof. Cheyfitz was actually being too tolerant in his interactions with Renard, allowing his disruptions to take up excessive class time.

    Post edited by Ardillaun on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,484 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I can get why English right wingers might be wound up about protests or gatherings by British people being banned by the police, but losing the rag over foreign football hooligans not being allowed attend a match seems absolutely bonkers (I thought they hated everything foreign?).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,379 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    Stiff competition with yer wan who couldn't outlast a lettuce but I'd imagine facilitating and supporting a genocide could give him an edge....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Disgusting that this has happened.The safety of a bunch of fans cannot be guaranteed because certain local people can't be trusted not to attack them.

    You have Ayoub Khan MP in celebrating this decision.

    Shows you how much Britain has bowed down to the Muslim mob (and lets be honest that's who is behind this) and how much it has fallen in general when they get to decide which football teams are allowed to play in England.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,484 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    How would this bother the right wing English ethno-nationalist brigade though? They boo every visiting team's national anthem at Wembley : since when are they in love with foreign football fans?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Got nothing to do with them.

    The decision has been criticized by people who have nothing to do with right wing nationalism or football.

    Fans should be allowed to travel to matches, banning fans from travelling to a match because they can't trust the locals in Birmingham to not attack them is a real sign of how much the UK has fallen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,120 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Absolutely. If it weren’t for the “Muslim mob”, CSKA Moscow would be playing in England.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Thats a convenient excuse for them being banned it could be used for a large proportion of the clubs that play in european competition, we all know the real reason.

    AZ Alkmaar had issues with their fans against West ham a couple of seasons ago and yet they were allowed to travel to London to see their team play Spurs last season.

    Why have they only been banned from going to Birmingham, they weren't banned from going to other cities, could it be that a decent portion of Birmingham's population are from a religious grouping that in particular dont like Israel as a country?

    Post edited by Necro on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,642 ✭✭✭dePeatrick


    could it be that a large proportion of the clubs are English or whatever country you like don’t like what Israel is doing!



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