Israel/Palestine Thread

I'm all happy for them to go there and live happily there, as I would be if they decided to come here.

But that isn't the argument people are making is it?

The argument here is they have a right to violently remove the actual native people from Palestine, outside the borders of Israel (i.e ethnic cleansing ) because they are the "real" natives, because of the Roman empire. They are just "reclaiming" their land apparently, not colonizing.

Read back through the posts, I sh*t you not.

I see you didn't make any comment on the bit about Smotrich and Ben Givir. Tarnished by association doesn't matter when it comes to those two it seems.

Anyway I remember having a discussion with an Israeli friend from Haifa years ago about Gerry Adams . He described him as a terrorist- which is fair enough- but then he didn't seem to agree when i pointed out how some terrorist leaders in Israel became political leaders. I thought If you are going to condemn people for associating with people of that ilk then presumably you must have a critical view of people who were happy to associate with the likes of Shamir, Begin and Sharon and who many regard them as heroes.

As for the flotilla, i stand by the view, that until proven otherwise, most of the people on that flotilla had good intentions , are not anti semities and were not in the pay of hamas or anyone else. I didn't expect you to go through all the names, but would assume someone wouldn't have made the original accusations unless they had solid proof that they were all in the pay of such people.

Where I would agree with you is if some people on that flotilla are condemning Israeli state terrorism but then in the same breath are defending people who send suicide bombers to blow up civilians at bus stops, then they are hypocrites too. I have no time for hypocrites on either side who defend terrorism- and make no mistake Sheepysheep any army that has collective punishment of civilians as an official doctrine is engaging in terrorism. You'll say that doctrine has been dropped but the evidence from Gaza would suggest otherwise. I mean what military purpose does it serve to destroy 86 per cent of the Agricultural land. The IDF didn't seem to have an answer when the BBC asked them about that .

This is one of the Palestinians released under the ceasefire deal:

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-10-12/ty-article/.premium/prisoner-convicted-of-raping-and-murdering-13-year-old-to-be-released-in-gaza-truce-deal/00000199-d973-da09-a1bb-dbfbdb120000

Some people on this thread act like Gaza is full of innocent victims.

it’s obvious that Hamas treat their hostages better than the Israelis, mind you after the 4 female hostages were released some time ago and had good accounts of their treatment by Hamas there has been no hostages speaking to journalists …

it doesn't suit the Israeli narrative to have hostages state how well they were looked after.

An Israeli soldier who was released by Hamas on Monday said that the group met his requests to provide Jewish prayer items and a copy of the Torah while he was held in Gaza.

The soldier, Matan Angrest, said in his first interview after being freed, broadcast by Israel’s Channel 13, that he had asked his captors to bring him tefillin (a small leather box worn on the forehead during prayer), a siddur (prayer book), and the Torah.

He added that Hamas provided him with the requested items, which the group had obtained from places where the Israeli army had been present in Gaza.

Angrest explained that he performed his prayers three times a day inside the tunnels and survived several Israeli airstrikes that targeted the areas where he was held.

Hamas has repeatedly said that it makes every effort to protect the lives of prisoners, warning that the intense and indiscriminate Israeli bombardment poses a serious threat to them.

The soldier’s account of his treatment while in captivity contrasts sharply with reports from human rights organisations describing harsh conditions faced by Palestinian detainees in Israeli prisons, including torture, medical neglect, and mistreatment.

Most moral army in the World abducts Palestinians, and dresses them in Israeli uniforms, to use as human shields

https://thecradle.co/articles/fourth-body-delivered-to-israel-by-hamas-revealed-to-be-west-bank-palestinian-used-as-human-shield

You mean like these hostages?

Imagine gassing people

That wouldn’t do, ‘the most moral army in the world’ They are so full of BS

POGROM!!!!

Thought this was an interesting graphic for context.

The size of Gaza compared to Dublin onto which Israel dropped the equivalent of 10 atomic bombs in order to rid if of the fighting force which corresponded to roughly Blanchardstown/Blakestown..

And the size of Gaza w.r.t Ireland…