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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,856 ✭✭✭liamtech


    I over-simplified the situation, regarding supposed agreements between the West and the Soviet Union. Fully acknowledge that the Russian Federation is regarded as the successor state to the USSR.

    It really doesnt alter the fact that negative perception of NATO, within Russia, is not a legitimate reason for the invasion. I think it demonstrates what Merkel and other western leaders thought of Putin, that being he is a 19th century autocrat, with a 21st century army. The days of encirclement are long over, as modern weapons technology have rendered it entirely obsolete. In prior conventional wars, it was entirely possible for armies to fight there way toward an enemy enclave, and encircle it. Yes this happened, and the attacking armies were able to concentrate their forces to the front of the line, requiring only a reserve force to remain at home. What also occured were situations where alliances were built up, so as to 'encircle' a common enemy state. Balistics, nuclear weapons, airforces, rendered this an obsolete tactic.

    Russia remains a great power, and arguably a super power, though not on par with the United States. Its sovereignty and survival on the international stage, are guaranteed by its nuclear arsenal. If anything, NATO's refusal to get involved in the current Ukraine conflict, demonstrates that Nuclear deterence theory is alive and well. If Putins only concern was the survival of Russia, then he literally had no concerns to speak of. Russian neighbors in Europe had long established trade deals, and interdependency had been built up between the EU and Russia. Many of the former eastern bloc had joined NATO, but said organization is a defensive alliance, and certainly not an expansionist one. Russia under Putin could have continued to thrive from trade with the west, while remaining alligned with China to the East. They were economically successful, modestly, and if anything, a domestic policy to curb cronyism and corruption would have increased Russian Economic success. Russian academics had argued as much for decades, and leaving aside the lack of democracy inherent to Putins Russia, progress could have been made. Instead, Putin spent a decade painting the west, and in particular Ukraine, as fascist, and building up his military, leaving cronyism and corruption to thrive. Why did he do this?

    The central reason for Russian actions regarding Ukraine, is that mere survival and economic success is not the goal. Putin wants to dominate nations, and we have seen this play out in relation to other states in the former spaces of the Soviet Union. He believes in the concept of 'Spheres of Influence', and squarly places Ukraine within such a Russian sphere. He and his regime believe that Kyiv should fall in line with Moscow, and when this view began to be challenged, he took action. If anything, the annexation of Crimea in 2014 only increased the calls within Ukraine, to seek military alliance with the west, but again, only for defensive reasons. Then the war, excuse me, 'special military operation' began in 2022, and the rest is history.

    Putin is a child of the cold war, its in the fabric of his DNA to view the west through a hostile lens. The fact that Russia is secure, is simply not enough for such a leader, and he has made public statements on what Russia has lost (the Iron Curtain, Russia's former Satellites in Eastern Europe, the former SSR states in the east). This is the reason for the war. Whether Putin really views NATO as a hostile force, or he is merely using it as an excuse for the current conflict, is somewhat irrelevant. In what one hopes will be an inevitable negotiation, the West may have to give points to Putin and acknowledge 'NATO Miss-steps'; this will be nothing more than a negotiating tactic, handing Putin something that he can use to justify his actions domestically.

    Its a complicated topic, and we risk going well outside the scope of our Presidential election. Bringing it back to that, I dont believe it benefits us to elect Connolly, considering her views on the Ukraine conflict, and who she blames for it. CC remains an activist first and foremost, and directs blame for much of the worlds conflict at the west. I do not subscribe to that mode of thinking, especially considering that CC tends not to respond to legitimate pushback on her positions. Had she displayed a willingness to debate these topics that would be somewhat reasonable. Instead, she has displayed a position where she accords blame, first and foremost, to the west. She seems more concerned with 'European Militarism' and 'American Imperialism', than with a literal expansionist dictatorship that has attacked a European country. Her Germany comments in particular demonstrate a degree of flawed thinking on foreign policy.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,004 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    You're not sure, so the likelihood is she is supportive of it, yet you argue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,887 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Yes, CC is an activist in the Jeremy Corbyn tradition. Unsuited for office.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It's only a snippet of the discussion.
    Here's what I did Bish, I did my due diligence and went looking for CC speaking in favour of Brexit before the event and I cannot find a single word nor has she advocated Ireland leaving the EU.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,856 ✭✭✭liamtech


    You would really wonder, what sort of due diligence was done by Labour and the Soc Dems, and even Sinn Fein, when it came to selecting this woman to run for president.

    There is no doubt that she is opposed to the core concepts of the European Union. Id be happy to vote for left wing, pro european parties, and would seek to have a European Parliament with a Left Wing coalition in power. Connolly goes way beyond that, and would seek to dismatle large components of the Union. I havent really heard any credible reasons for her positions, but they originate from those of Tony Benn, and the Militant Left in the 70s/80s. A faction i might add, that repeatidly failed to achieve power for decades. In Britain, this faction enabled Thatcherism to take over during the period, because there seemed to be no reliable alternative.

    You could technically refer to her positioning as being a legitimate view-point, but it remains hollow. It opposes the pooling of sovereignty on any level as @Podge_irl said, and without actually explaining why. Benn used to highlight that, it wasnt nationalism as such, but 'pure democratic principle'. He distrusted ECC (forerunner to EU) institutions as being 'undemocratic', compared to the national parliaments of member states. All of the progress, economic and social successes of the Union, should be discarded because 'unelected beaurocrats' in Brussels are telling us what to do. Its full on Euroscepticism, this cannot be denied. And when I add it to her woeful foreign policy views regarding Ukraine, Russia, and America, its just further evidence that this lady is unsuitable for the roll of president.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,593 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    If Connolly is President is she going to spend 7 years using the platform to crow about anti EU lines and the “Industrial Military Complex” etc? It could be a long 7 years if that is the scenario.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Apparently she's said something to the effect that she will tone down the rhetoric if she makes it to the Aras. Can't track down the reference but I've seen a few people mention it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,856 ✭✭✭liamtech


    I dont know anymore. The entire election has been a shambles from the outset. Between the nonsense that went on before the nomination process, McGuinness stepping back, to the madness of nearly every opposition party backing CC - and then Gavin 'forgetting' that he owed 3 grand to a journalist. As a story, this would make a wonderful black comedy sketch.

    We dont have adequate polling at present. Beforehand, most polls included candidates that were not in the running. Then we had one valid poll, right before Gavin withdrew; followed by another that was carried out before, during, and after JG suspended his campaign. So right now, we are totally in the dark; We can assume CC is winning, and it seems a likely outcome. But we are in the dark as to how the electorate are reacting to many stories includng Eirigi, the Aras/Rapist fiasco, etc.

    I think the opposition to Connolly might begin to coalesce around her unsuitability, based on the above scandals, coupled with a growing realization of just how anti-EU she is. There may be a surge in support from a 'Never Connolly' group, as well as those who begin to view Humphreys as credible.

    A lot will depend on how voters choose to interpret this election. I saw Paul Murphy put a video up promoting the idea that a vote FOR CONNOLLY, was a vote AGAINST FFG. So her campaign seems to be moving in that direction.

    • If the majority of the electorate view a vote for Connolly, as registering their opposition to the government; a protest vote- then especially in the wake of the budget, i think its President Elect Connolly by dinner time on the 25th
    • If enough voters actually consider suitability as a major factor in deciding who to vote for - then we might get an 'upset', and dodge an activist Aras for another 7 years

    Its optics from here on out in my view.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,573 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “You would really wonder, what sort of due diligence was done by Labour and the Soc Dems, and even Sinn Fein, when it came to selecting this woman to run for president.”

    Only some in Labour appear to be not voting for her- the rest seem mighty happy with her anti EU and pro Russian messaging



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,856 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Im a lefty and i find it all rather depressing tbh. I worry it will damage the left, in the long run. And all for the sake of electing this Activist to the Aras, and a role she is clearly unsuitable for

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,573 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Nope- on RTÉ six one interview she doubled down and said there’s an article in the constitution about speaking up for the people or similar - I guarantee you she has already found loopholes so that she can spout her anti-EU and pro Hamas nonsense



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,573 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I wanted to like her- I really did- but I can’t in any way reconcile myself to vote for her given her very clear determination to continue to criticise countries we need keep as long established friends and significant supporters of the Irish economy.
    If she does get in and starts spouting sh01te about America she better be kicked out of office double quick or there will be riots - I’m not going to watch her destroy what’s left of jobs and economic growth by blaming “imperial power” America for the “volatile” world we currently find ourselves.
    Just wait till America withdraws all companies from Ireland - you’ll know about volatility very quickly then Catherine - that’s why CC is so fcking dangerous



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    That's complete melodramatics on your part. Hysterical nonsense.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,593 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    A journalist with information from a Barrister/Solicitor EU expertise needs to grill Connolly. Next time she says she is a “committed European”. It needs to asked what type of committed European? As the whole idea of the EU was peace and economic prosperity by trade. And if that Union is threatened do the EU sit idly by?

    Connolly seems to against the Free Market of the EU. And control by the ECB as well. Neo-liberal she calls it.


    Very few in the legal profession would be as anti-EU as Connolly. The vast majority would be the polar opposite very pro EU over the years.

    I have relatives in Galway and well remember how travelling to Galway was a real trek. Before the EU funding for motorways etc. Now it takes about 2 hours from Dublin.
    Maybe Connolly avoids the motorways out of “principle”?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Connolly gets the bus and the bus uses the motorway.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Oscar, we listened to all this overblown scaremongering about capital flight with the Apple case.

    The scaremongers were told Apple and other corps would not be leaving because it is hugely beneficial to their bottom line to be here.

    Have the 'corporations' left?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,593 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    The main reason (besides tax breaks) such FDI is attracted to Ireland because it is the only native English speaking country in the EU. Ideal for global trade.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,908 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    If Connolly does become president it will be interesting how she deals with trump. She has previously said she finds it difficult to call him "President Trump" and accused him of planning a second Nakba, which is fairly strong words to be using. Think she will need to quietly row back from that position if elected



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yes and it ain't going anywhere. Even if Simon Harris calls Trump and "awful gowl" again.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Yes, and that assists in them making maximum profits, which is the bottom line for these corps. They are not going to huff and leave because a President said something critical about the US.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Of course she will. The role of a president is very different to the role of an Independent TD. She has already said as much. Yet we have all these angry doom merchants saying she will crash the economy. Jesus wept.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,593 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I bet Connolly would prefer all FDI gone, and nationalisation of who knows what. I am beginning to understand why Humphreys is starting to reference trips overseas and trade deals.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,190 ✭✭✭gifted


    What's with all this infatuation with CC about Trump and Putin and Russia?

    These lads have no interest and will never have an interest in any irish presidents and their views.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I'm not sure how many times she has to say she fully understands that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,652 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Considering the role of President is generally assumed to be mainly ceremonial, there's a lot of lads on here raising their blood pressure and pissing the bed about the likelihood of CC in the Phoenix Park.

    There's been posts on here scaremongering about multinationals leaving the country to the above imagining 'riots on the streets ', 😂😂😂.

    She'll be no more an irritant to the wider world as Micky D currently is, we're really just an outlier on the edge of Europe, and as our current government found out in relation to the recent Gaza ceasefire and talks, we don't really count on the world stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,914 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    The warnings around capital flight were if the Government didn’t support the appeal and had simply accepted the original ruling.

    They didn’t, and instead demonstrated that they would stand over and defend our legal and tax structures - which helped maintain the confidence of multinationals.

    No surprise we’ve the usuals trying to paint their alternative facts again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 447 ✭✭Greengrass53


    Yeah This BS that we're such an important player is laughable. The multi's are here for one reason and one reason alone I.e. profit. Once we facilitate that they're staying regardless of all else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,573 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    And you’re happy to gamble Irelands future economic prosperity and the 100,000s of jobs - both direct and indirect- that America currently provides the Irish people- on someone who has absolutely no regard for how what she says , can impact Irelands standing on the world stage- and especially the impact it could have on the Trump administration, who won’t hold back on tearing Ireland apart and telling US companies to invest elsewhere.
    Anyone who votes for CC doesn’t care about Ireland



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Prove there won't be riots in the streets when Connolly is impeached? Pure drama.

    You made the melodramatic statements, up to you to prove it.

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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