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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,466 ✭✭✭almostover


    No, you can vote for change every time we vote for our MEPs. I agree that alternatives to the current EU strategy should be explored. Your vote is your means of initiating change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,096 ✭✭✭MFPM




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,466 ✭✭✭almostover


    I agree fully with you, they ousted Eamonn Ryan and supplanted Roderic in his place. There have been a lot of agitators in the Green Party, most of whom would be better off defecting to PBP/Solidarity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,470 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    She doesn't blame the West for everything.

    She condemned Oct 7th.

    But again, like many others she believes Oct 7th was not the reason for what was unleashed on Gaza. It's the excuse but not the reason.

    And that's as far off the topic I am going folks. I'll let Catherine argue her own case.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    And yet NATO, which last "expanded" east in 2004 needs to be highlighted at every possible opportunity as bearing responsibility for Russia's invasion of Ukraine 🙄

    While she may have something of a point re Israel, the hypocrisy is exceedingly transparent.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,096 ✭✭✭MFPM


    And again...tiresome...she doesnt blame 'everything' on the West, she makes pertinent points about the role of Western Imperial powers and draws attention to their hypocrisy...Russia, bad, sanctions - Israel, good, weapons and money....

    Partly 'their' fault…surreal though not surprising.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,416 ✭✭✭corkie


    @liamtech Do people actually believe these Connolly talking points RE NATO being responsible for the war?

    I don't believe it but there is a bit of cause and effect around it, so queried on it? Russian Propaganda?

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    So above maybe CC's Talking point on it and where it stems from?

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,466 ✭✭✭almostover


    Maybe because neither candidate has any involvement in the day to day decision making of government ministers?

    Neither is privy as to what that plane was carrying, for what purpose and what the request entailed in order for it to land in Shannon?

    If either are asked about it I'm sure they will refer to the person with responsibility for granting such clearance i.e. the minister for foreign affairs.

    And it's not something that the president of the day should be commenting on either. The government in the Dáil are elected to deal with such issues. It's not the duty of the president.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭jmcc


    There was a leadership challenge to Ryan in 2020 by Catherine Martin. Ryan was competent enough to see it off. Martin turned out to be one of the worst ministers ever. There was also a split (Rabharta Glas) from the Greens which was more Social Justice types but it seems to have sunk without trace. There was also an earlier split (Fis Nua) which also sank without trace. O'Gorman and his followers were toxic for the Greens and shifted them away from Green issues where the Greep Party had a unique selling point to the flooded Social Justice section of the political spectrum. No USP, no votes. Some of the real Greens might find Connolly to be too Left to support. Equally, they would find Humphreys to be a weak Right wing candidate. Those who might have been PBPish were probably in the Rabharta split.

    Post edited by jmcc on

    Regards…jmcc



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    Eamonn Ryan retired, he wasn't ousted.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2024/0618/1455317-eamon-ryan

    The green movement in general is benefit hugely from people with strong left values. Zack Polanski got 85% of the vote in the recent party election as leader of the UK Green Party, and is fast taking over the Labour Party's space on the left there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,096 ✭✭✭MFPM


    I would vote the way I vote in all elections, I don't generally differentiate based on the office. I generally vote for whom I consider the left candidate that best reflects my views, obviously compromise is often necessary..

    Generally, left independents, possibly PBP. LP or SD would occasionally get a pref but that would be rare enough. SF again probably candidate dependent but only preferences. I voted for Ni Riada last time out but only because I knew MDH was a cert and the rest didn't merit anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭spark_tank


    Were people as critical of Michael D Higgins who was very critical of the 'West' and their foreign policy prior to becoming President? He was very outspoken on American foreign policy and very critical towards the British government and even Europe at times.

    Like Catherine, he's against removing the triple lock. Both are strongly in favour of Ireland's neutrality and very much 'people before profit'.

    Were people as concerned about all this prior to his first Presidential campaign? I don't remember it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,856 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Its a topic which one can debate. But perception, while being a factor of international relations, cannot be argued as being a root cause of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Putin, being former head of the KGB, has always viewed NATO as being analogous with the Warsaw Pact. That is, expansionist and domineering of its members. He served during the Cold War, when NATO was in conflict with the Soviet Union, and its clear to many he has continued to view the alliance as an adversary of Russia.

    Many have sought to engage with this topic, and pointed to supposed agreements made between the US and the USSR, on NATO not admitting any of the eastern block countries. But that was with the Soviet Union, which ceased to exist 24 odd years ago. It is entirely understandable that the former eastern block and in particular the baltic states, would seek alliance with the west. They endured hardship under Soviet Rule, and dont ever wish to be under the thumb of Moscow again.

    Using all of the above as a backdrop, Putin has argued against NATO since assuming office. He has fostered the impression that it is 'expanding' in Russia's direction, and the Ukraine would be next. Despite assurances that Ukraine couldnt join NATO, made before the war, he used the 'NATO Threat' as a justification for his invasion in 2022.

    It is not logical to blame NATO, an organization that has done everything it can to AVOID a confrontation with Russia, for the latters invasion of Ukraine. It is also irrational to claim that NATO, and organization that states must apply to, for membership of, is 'expanding'.

    Thats my opinion, - its open to debate im sure.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The Irish Greens are very different from the UK and European Greens in that they were, until 2016, more Right wing/centrist than Left. O'Gorman and his followers are a bit of an anomaly in the Greens in that they are closer to Labour than the Greens.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭jmcc


    If anything, Higgins is a champagne socialist. Connolly is the real deal. That is quite a difference in that the electorate, based on the polling, seems to be comfortable with that. It is also why FFG's targeting of Connolly as being on the Left is failiing. The electorate already knows that.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,889 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Putin wouldn't keep to any agreement, ask Ukraine,, so he presumes nobody else would either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,307 ✭✭✭Good loser


    The lady has a will of iron, inflexible too, not to trifled with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,416 ✭✭✭corkie


    What ever people think of the character Paul Murphy, does he have a defamation case against her?

    HH doesn't seem to be worried about a possible case been taken against her?

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41723883.html

    • Asked if she would be withdrawing and apologising for the remarks, Ms Humphreys said she had not yet seen the legal letter from Mr Murphy’s solicitors.
    • Asked if he expected to be in the High Court beginning defamation proceedings next week, Mr Murphy said he hoped Ms Humphreys would apologise, commit to not do it again and make appropriate compensation.

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,889 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Unfortunately, politics is the art of the possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,606 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    Words are cheap. She condemns but she's against anybody helping Ukraine defend itself, and against sanctions against Ruzzia because stopping Ruzzians being hurt is more important than helping Ukraine defend itself.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,004 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Her reasoning on the six one news, you can't praise US for arming Ukraine because they also arm Israel!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,470 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    That is a nonsense take tbh. As bad as the all Russia one you accuse Connolly of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,606 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    ….and yet the German Greens are diametrically opposite in their views re rearmament to Connolly and are strongly pro-Ukraine and anti-Ruzzian.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,416 ✭✭✭corkie


    Thread has moved on, so too late to make an addition to my last post.

    Look who is coming out against a latest trending option?

    Spoil your vote or strike a blow against the establishment?

    Both candidates are the establishment!

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,279 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    No mature rational person believes that it makes sense to have more immigrants than the houses that are built can accommodate.

    Unthinking irrational people may think otherwise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,720 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I see many on here saying some of the greens are closer to Labor. It might surprise you to find out that Brian Leddin is actually a cousin of a long time labour

    Would suggest that his family is somewhat of the left version of the greens but apparently not



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭pureza


    He has a point

    You can’t be condemning the playground bully by just saying he’s a naughty boy

    You need to take away his sweets and protect the bullied

    Show the consequences

    Otherwise there’s anarchy

    Cc has this unnecessary bang of what I call over neutrality

    So neutral that the aggressors can ignore the criticism

    It’s particularly noticeable with her and SF’s attitude to Russia which is very hypocritical given the current Russian regime is Tsarist,ie monarchical in structure and capturing and occupying other countries ie imperialist

    Huge smack of hypocrisy there given the Notth

    Huge bang of a lack of self awareness



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭pureza


    Putin has made himself Tsar

    So Russia gets a free pass because the left prefer bashing the west is it?

    News flash Russia is not socialist or communist

    I don’t disagree with the condemnation of the Israeli’s

    Internationally they will reap what they’ve sowed in terms of political and moral goodwill

    Gone

    The U.S at least is a democracy,Russia is not

    It is like GB was,Imperialist and ironically growing in its imperialism

    I’ve always found the love of China and Russia in that regard from left circles bizarre



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,580 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    And what Russians have been “hurt” is what I’d be asking her.

    By her logic, all sanctions should be lifted against North Korea too because people are “hurting” there - even though we know, the ordinary citizens wouldn’t see one additional grain of rice if sanctions were lifted



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,907 ✭✭✭rock22


    "…. and pointed to supposed agreements made between the US and the USSR, on NATO not admitting any of the eastern block countries. But that was with the Soviet Union, which ceased to exist 24 odd years ago. I…."

    You do know that the international community , especially the US, recognise the Russian federation as the continuance of the USSR?

    It is possible to hold the view that Putin invaded Ukraine and is the aggressor and to also hold the view that NATO expansion and threats of expansion influenced the fear of encirclement in Moscow.

    CC's views on this matter, and her views on other matters, are seemingly too subtle for those who want to see the world as 'black and white' and are ready at every opportunity to 'ponce' on anyone not following the regimented 'party line'. A form of thought police.



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