Israel/Palestine Thread

Ignoring the fact that this is patently false, my post wasn’t about genocide. Read it back. It was about people being outraged at pro Palestine chanting while at the same time excusing deliberate killing of civilians.

About one side upset at words, while the other side carries out the very same thing in reality.

How can you be upset at “from the river to the sea Palestine will be free” while ignoring Israel bombing the place to oblivion.

We saw the evils wrought by theocratic influence on government in Ireland but Gazans have been subjected to theocrats actually running the show which has been catastrophic. There’s no way to debate with a politician who says they are directed by God even if they allowed any debate. If its young people are to have any chance, Gaza urgently needs more secularism from top to bottom.

Is language really that prescriptive?

Yes. How can you enforce laws / rules / contracts, even have reasonable conversations with other people? - there would be chaos.

In that context, claimed genocides must be measured against the most explicit major examples like the Holocaust or Rwanda — in ignorance of the fact that genocides can vary in their duration, intent and method. More gradual, careful, impersonal acts of genocide can be carried out today using modern warfare techniques and propaganda. One need only consider that recurring line we keep hearing from pro-Israeli commentators — "If Israel really wanted to wipe the Palestinians out they could do it immediately, so clearly they don't want to" — to understand how perfectly conceivable it is that the perception of what is severe and transparent enough to be genocide can be used as a mask for a more carefully-managed genocide.

There's that…but there's also the fact that Israeli supporters keep pushing back on the accusations of genocide, up to and including the endless use of outright lying, because it's "their guys" that are carrying out genocidal warfare.

The only reason that occurred was because Trump's crime wasn't classed as "rape" on the State's statutes. It has nothing to do with individual interpretations. If it had been in state law, Trump would have been found guilty of rape and not sexual assault (which doesn't make things any better).

The conditions of a genocide are clearly defined in a UN convention and they've been in existence since the end of WWII.

Quite ironic considering the Israelis (and their apologists) consider themselves to be the chosen people and have the right to do anything they want in the middle east.

The point I’m making is that I don’t slavishly worship courts when I speak - I don’t look to them to define for me what words mean. Courts and other legal proceedings often have ridiculous interpretations of words and also lots of words nobody else uses. As I pointed out originally, I’m not asking anybody else here to use the word the same way.

The situation reveals yet again that every country has different interests. America wants peace in the Middle East with Muslim and Arab countries looking to it rather than China as the key ally. In addition, the Gulf Arabs have been ‘very nice’ to the Trump family personally if you know what I mean. By contrast, Netanyahu wants a Greater Israel and more conflict. He’s going to have to pursue these aims without openly challenging Trump.

Israel will never ever agree to a 2 state solution or the US for that matter. No mention of it in Trumps 20 point plan.

Brainwashed, they have been brought up to believe that Palestinians are inferior to them, This is racist and it’s where apartheid comes from. As they get more distanced from western thinking this will not go away. There needs to be a radical reform of Israeli thinking, not sure where that is going to come from.

The biggest danger is Hamas not Israel. Sure the second Israel left Hamas immediately charged back in to try and fill the void again. The Palestinians have to defeat Hamas once and for all.

As Trump told reporters, that was permitted as part of the agreement in the interim.