Ian Watkins killed.

The other band members claim that they managed to get it arranged he wasn't getting any money from the streaming income.

I don't believe that's actually legally possible; albeit it may have been happening regardless. He was the sole songwriter on nearly every song, he would get performer royalties in the countries that have those (e.g. here but also most importantly the UK where the bulk of the fan base were) and so on.

Nothing comes up on the singles charts database for them here, so nothing got in to the top 30 or top 40 (whichever was the relevant chart at the time)

They did play a number of gigs in Dublin but in smaller venues.

Compared to the UK where they had four top ten (and one #1) album, they weren't popular here.

Ah tis a bit of a shame when the likes of him get killed but its better to get them killed than what the "justice system" offers.

Ideally utter wastes of existence like him should be put front and center for clinical trials and just be a human lab rat.

Might force them to be of some use to society then and there'd be zero risk to public or the medical companies as any adverse effects, including deaths, could just be shrugged off.

Only well known with people in rock music circles. But equally liked or ridiculed by many in the same circles because they were kinda emos.

The WWN lads have been on fire recently.

I think it needs to be pointed out for anyone who thinks this guy might feel guilty or remorseful or that he was some lad got caught with teenage groupies that he was way beyond the regular sick of a peado. He was molesting 2 year old with the consent of their fuked up "super fan" mothers.

Thats not the same argument as the one you were making saying that drugs and drink are responsible for paedos acting, they aren't

That’s not the argument I was making though? I didn’t say drugs and drink are responsible for paedos acting. I said drugs are responsible for lowering a person’s inhibitions.

I don’t think Watkins actually was a paedo*, I don’t really care, I think he just wallowed in depravity and his ability to manipulate others, women in particular who he figured would be easy to manipulate and control, who he could be confident wouldn’t be believed even if they did make a complaint to the authorities.

*He was obviously a child molester, but as the Judge noted -

He said it adds: "It is also my assessment that the child victims in this case appear to be coincidental to his need to dominate and to test out the extent to which his sexual partners would collude and participate in his sexual interests."

Real weird vibe off of these posts tbh.

He does this is every thread he join, makes a massive never ending argument over semantics and continually posts nonsense and then claims that what he clearly stated isn't actually what he meant, waste of time engaging with him.

Oh, I'm well aware of all that but to do it in this thread in particular is just bizarre. Not a good look at all.

They’re only like Watkins the more famous ones, there are still thousands who will do exactly the same sort of manipulation and attempt to gain the trust of their victims or create opportunities for themselves to abuse children. Whether they’re a paedophile or not doesn’t matter, the fact that they abuse children is what matters, and by creating opportunities for themselves is how their inhibitions are lowered, they’re lowered again by the influence of substances which unquestionably lower inhibitions.

This whole tangent started from the idea of wondering whether Watkins had been abused as a child, it’s a myth I’ve seen posted numerous times on this site - being abused as a child doesn’t mean a child is going to become a paedophile, nor does it mean that they are motivated to commit child abuse. Drugs on the other hand, do lower a person’s inhibitions and lead to them committing acts which they know are wrong -

"You spoke to the author of your desire to shock and your craving to push the sexual boundaries," the judge said. "This craving was fuelled by your use of cocaine and methamphetamine which increased your sexual aggression. You spoke of not knowing to what extremes you would have gone but for your arrest. It is difficult to imagine anything much worse."

In Watkins case in particular, it’s not rocket science, and it’s not making excuses for a child rapist either, though I’m not remotely surprised you’d claim that’s what I’m doing. It’s a cheap shot, nothing more.

Never heard of the man , I'm gonna look him up now