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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,849 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    That's a killer ending, the host having to correct one of HH's attempted smears. She could be dealing with that one for a number of days.
    And the impression Yates was bang on about what is happening gets consolidated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    He admitted sticking a chocolate bar up a sleeping mans arse

    Great company to be keeping for Heather



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,828 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    I am undecided. I would prefer to vote for a left, opposition candidate but not Connolly. Humphreys was very poor in that debate and did absolutely nothing to convince me to vote for her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,828 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    Because he's always obnoxious. That's his schtick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,973 ✭✭✭MFPM


    We need better candiates.

    Once again, a poster who apparently speaks for everyone…'we' have the candidates who put themselves forward for election, that's how it works…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,973 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Because he's a buffoon and he knew it would get traction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,033 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    🎶🎶Sitting on the sofa on a sunday afternoon, listening to the candidates debate... Everyway we look it it we lose 🎶🎶😊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 181 ✭✭spark_tank


    Dignity certainly isn't on the agenda for Heather or her advisors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,964 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Red c poll suggesting younger people supporting the older candidate (CC) and older people supporting the younger candidate (HH). Bizarre.

    Yet more evidence that the FFG stranglehold on the country will continue to die out with time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,151 ✭✭✭gifted


    Can't see Paul Murphy taking that lying down....should be a good response



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,883 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Her brand of politics, while much more popular than before 2011, still loses nationally at GE time. I hope if she wins, the government wont allow it to influence policies like support for Ukraine, increasing our tiny defence budget.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,139 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    A few people asked me to explain this, so:

    Connolly 36% Humphreys 25% Gavin 12% UD 30%

    = Connolly 36% Humphreys 37% Gavin 0% UD 30%

    = Connolly 49% Heather 51% Gavin 0% UD 0%

    Next, we look at the historical patterns of the paths of undecided votes at this point in any election cycle. Undecided voters are always in the majority risk-averse, there is a million pages of research to show it.

    And so, it is entirely reasonable to split the Undecideds 1:2. I personally think thats being a bit generous to Connolly, given her extremism, but lets not complicate matters.

    Lets plumb the undecideds back in, which gives us

    Connolly 44% Humphreys 56%.

    Earlier, I did say 60:40 to Humphreys, and as I said there, I feel 56:44 is too generous to Connolly, so 60:40 is a prediction I'm satisfied to make.

    Now, the reason you lefties reading this are scoffing to yourselves right now, is that you are falling into the same trap as lefties always fall into vis-a-vis Irish elections, and when reading opinion polls. And its also the reason you have been so heartbroken and disbelieving when Sinn Féin have failed to make a proper breakthrough in the last 15 years.

    Its because you ignore the qualitative information hidden in the figure for undecideds. And that information should tell you that Ireland is a centrist country. It always has been since independence, relative to the prevailing culture of the time. Its that Irish voters are risk averse and when it comes to a binary choice, gun to the head, pencil in hand in the polling booth, they always go 2:1 for the risk averse choice.

    All of our internal polling in the field show that is bearing out exactly the same this time.

    President Humphreys it shall be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭thenuisance


    I think the poll overlapping Gavin's withdrawal is probably boosting the don't knows - Gavin supporters polled after the withdrawal have a good chance of being Don't knows - they won't have had time to make their mind up.

    It would seem that many Gavin voters are going to vote for him anyway - I'd see that being somewhere in the region of 10-12%. I think the majority of these will not continue on to a second preference. I'm not convinced that Connolly will be the main beneficiary of Gavins seconds.

    My guess is that those who have plumped for Connolly will not shift. As you point out many of the 'Don't knows' are extremely unlikely to vote. Humphreys only chance is to whip up hatred and fear against Connolly. She's trying it in the debate and, I think, failing. Jennifer Carroll MacNeill tried this and simply ended up looking foolish.

    Unless something changes I find it difficult to see Connolly losing. I don't think it's impossible but she's too smart to allow the muck to stick and has shown remarkable calm in the face of attack. She doesn't have the spikiness of Michael D Higgins but she is very definitely in his mould and his presidency was viewed as highly successful and representative of the wishes of the Irish people. It also resonated abroad - I heard praise from so many people who might not have shared his political views but respected that he was well able to stand up for his country and it's role in the world. He annoyed the hell out of the right and I hope that Catherine Connolly will do the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    This must be why senior FG members are telling the independent they have started to sound out candidates in Galway for a bi election after Connolly wins



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,245 ✭✭✭BQQ


    so your first assumption is that 100% of JG votes will transfer to HH?

    How likely is that?

    In all the elections you’ve worked on, have you ever seen 100% vote transfer?

    The last poll of JG second preferences went 60% HH and 25% CC

    That leaves a big hole in your calculation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭thenuisance


    Not really that bizarre - it was the same with Higgins in the last election. He was preferred over two left-leaning younger women and a gaggle of mediocre middle-aged businessmen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    I'd imagine his solicitor is writing the letter already

    What a stupid woman to say something like that on tele



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,973 ✭✭✭MFPM


    If HH loses as I suspect she may, you'll have alot of explaining to do re above, your entire thesis will be shot...just one more reading to hope for a CC victory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,849 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    As somebody else has said, just giving HH all of Gavin's vote tells me that is more than likely to be the over excited exuberance of leaflet distributor's than that of serious analysts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,259 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    what did HH say about murphy?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,849 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Humphreys already trending on Twitter.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,979 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    If FG internal polling really put HH infront 60:40 then they would not be resorting to a smear campaign against CC.

    It smacks of desperation this pivot the Heather campaign has taken, definitely not something you do if already polling well in front.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,285 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Look at the names though “leftist dad” 🤔

    Didn’t see latest debate but it appears to me it has been framed by the Yates comments.

    Any attack on Connolly = smear now. Ironically similar to how Israel claims any attack on them is anti Semitic. Same logical fallacy used as a defence.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,979 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    You’re a rare breed in demand right now from both sides- would you consider sitting this one out or will you definitely vote on the day?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,538 ✭✭✭jmcc


    A bit of a disaster for Humphreys. At times, she was like an unruly child being allowed to sit at the adults' table while the adults were discussing something important. Her talking points were rehearsed and well anticipated by Connolly. Even the attempted smears (Burton/Murphy, Eirigi) were a bit iffy. The FG rapist smear was brought up again. This is a campaign getting increasingly desperate.

    It was most telling that when McCullagh was talking about the constitution, he concentrated on Connolly and never came back to Humphreys with a substantive question on it. What was FG thinking?

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 761 ✭✭✭feelings


    Heather answered my previous question in that debate. She didn’t condemn Ivan’s comments because she was preparing to carry out exactly what he suggested. Attack attack attack. Classic FFG plan. Desperate stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭corkie


    @Larbre34 As your calculations transfer all gavins votes, when people have still declared they are still voting for him. Others have pointed out the flaws in your logic.

    Heard the first 20 mins of the debate. Sound like a broken record, with just repeats of what has been said before. Did it get any better later, might watch it later.

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,849 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Not 'any' attack. There are legitimate attacks and smears.
    HH using Paul Murphy is an attempt at a 'smear'.

    It may well cost her more than the election too as it is a clear libel, repeated, even though the host tried to correct her.

    And FG have only themselves to blame if those legitimate attacks are seen as smears by some too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,979 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “Humphreys only chance is to whip up hatred and fear against Connolly.”

    I disagree - Heather needs to promote herself as a credible presidential candidate and tell us all her grand plan- she’s wasted weeks on attacking CC- today was her chance to put forward a positive image of herself - and she just came across as a bitter lemon and started to attack CC yet again - I despise what CC stands for - but I’m no fan of HH either given her performance - she will likely lose simply because she’s incapable of converting a middle ground audience to vote for her- and that’s just extraordinary - it’s not like she requires far left support to win- how more easy could it be?



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