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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭almostover


    You still havent answered my question about what other employment which requires Garda vetting allows one to start their employment while Garda vetting is in progress?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,880 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    And I was very clear in saying that 'rehabilitation' required a judgement call. On 'reflection' you make a judgement. Is everyone who applies for a job going to get it, no. Doesn't mean you don't believe in the notion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,974 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Ah come on Oscar, that's not an answer.

    Many posters on boards alone, no less on other social platforms no less people I have spoke. to, have been greatly put off CC with these comments she’s made 

    That's a tiny sample size and virtually all of the CC haters here have been CC haters from the start, they haven't changed their opinion.

    There is definitely a growing concern in the media and from online social commentary that the controversial statements she’s made are not commensurate with the office of president -

    How are you measuring this 'growing' concern, the media have been consisttently undermining CC from the start, it started when she declared - Senan Maloney had three hit pieces in three days with Mary Regan chirping in too in early September. The framing by the media has been very obvious however in this election unlike previous elections where they did the same thing there seems to be more resistance to it this time around if the polls are to be believed.

    can I put a figure on it right now in terms of polls? Of course not, but I will wager that the final polls before election day will reflect an increase in support for HH

    Of course there will be an increase for HH, FFS - the other pro government/establishment candidate has departed the scene, even if 1% of his supporteers vote for HH she'll show an increase! In fact if HH doesn't show an increase there would be something very wrong for the establishment. However, you said CC will 'suffer' yet you've refused to answer what this means?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Getting caught red handed is the best Rehab.

    Clearly she decided to change tactics, does that qualify as rehabilitation?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,997 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Hamas is a terrorist organisation and should not be part of any decision making process on the future of Palestine - giving Hamas the right to participating in the formation of a new Palestine is the same as Hamas being part of a new Palestine -if they participate, they will be part of it - it’s nonsense to argue any differently

    - it’s clear that since she wants the Palestinian people and Hamas to decide, she’d also be “happy” with their decision and if they choose Hamas she’d also be “happy” with that - you don’t have to misquote CC to come to that conclusion - It can be done perfectly well using her direct quotes



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,712 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    There is definitely a growing concern in the media and from online social commentary that the controversial statements she’s made are not commensurate with the office of president 

    I'm not seeing this trend. Connolly's most ostensibly controversial statements of the campaign, about Hamas and German rearmanent, were made a couple of weeks ago and the storms seemed to pass after a few days. It just seems to be accepted beyond the 35-40% or whatever that is committed to supporting Humphries that Connolly will say some edgy things as president but then so did Michael D and the sky didn't fall in…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,997 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I can’t put a figure on it no- but then no-one can - but I also don’t believe CC’s victory is as clear cut as many believe - maybe that’s a better way of saying it - FF voters may well sway towards HH - especially if CC’s comments and narrative continue to be headline news



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,997 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Connolly's supporters are infinitely more vocal - there’s no question about that - so if social media were an indicator of what’s going to happen, it would be a landslide for Connolly. I don’t think HH ever had a “core” support group - she’s “just” a candidate for a political party - but on the day, not only will we see the “vocal” supporters out voting, we’ll also see the “non-vocal” voters for the first time.

    CC doesn’t have a unifying brand across the board to make her a landslide president -her left wing supporters appear to love her- but she’s divisive outside of this core group - there’s a lot of middle ground voters feeling disenfranchised with the offering of candidates - but I don’t see many of them heading to CC - and if the negativity around CC in the press coverage continues, I could see them heading for HH to ensure she doesn’t get in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,880 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I have no idea, is why I didn't answer.

    As the woman did start working and nobody did anything, by way of censure or intervention (that has been proved)I am assuming that there was no problem at the time.

    If somebody can show a Garda intervention, fair enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,974 ✭✭✭MFPM


    HH should win this hands down given she has the two establishment parties behind her, the media framing against CC we've seen reflects HH is struggling a bit…I always thought HH would win but increasingly I think CC will do it..time will tell. CC will continue to be headline news not because of what she's saying but the way it's being framed, the payment for the trip to Syria in the last few days being one of the more obvious and absurd attempts by the MSM to undermine her. I see Pat Leahy today justifying the focus on CC, in fairness he's nothing if not consistent in his devotion to political centrism.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,880 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Again, you are putting words into her mouth that she never used.

    2+2=5 is just you using a bias to form an opinion of what she said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,712 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    if the negativity around CC in the press coverage continues, I could see them heading for HH

    Again this has been there from day one but it doesn't seem to have damaged Connolly in the polls and I don't see a head of steam building behind it this late in the day unless there is some fresh and devastating controversy in the pipeline



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,997 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    ”Inference” - CC knows all about that - she studied Logic as part of becoming a barrister - it’s very much 2+2=4 - we’ll agree to disagree - I’m off to tend to my lawn and take advantage of the dry weather but good debating with you Mr. Brady



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,997 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Or are people just waking up now? It’s been a very lacklustre campaign from the start - we’ll see and I’ve no problem being proved wrong - none at all - it may well be the landslide predicted by many - but I’m not sure it will be, that’s all. But right now, I’ve no definitive proof - purely an opinion



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Connolly is the Popular Front runner, it's her's to lose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,880 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I’m off to tend to my lawn

    I could infer from that you are in the dog house and need to get out of the house, but I wouldn't necessarily be right.🙃



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    HH doesn’t seem to be getting much attention at all.

    CC has annoyed some of the Israel supporters. Not many left I know.

    Her comments on NATO a few years ago probably weren't great.

    However, she's not afraid to speak her mind. Nothing wrong with that tbf. If it offends some people, that's their problem.

    Neither candidate will have much power anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭Ronald Binge Redux


    What is damaging to CC is the blatant sectarianism and possibly actionable comments made by CC supporters on HH's Facebook page on practically every post. PS if you post an image of a snake, an orange, and a rat, you are still calling somebody that whether you write it in English, or Irish, or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    I can't believe people are willing to spend so much time and energy debating the merits of 2 run of the mill politicians form either side of the political spectrum.

    The presidency should be a reward for someone who has made a significant contribution to the country and can continue to do so in the role.

    If no-one suitable is available, then it should lie idle until such time as there is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,880 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭almostover


    That's a fairly weak argument. If Garda vetting is a pre-requisite condition for employment then do you agree that someone shouldn't start their employment until such time as that vetting process is complete?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,880 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    If that is the law and that is how it is being enacted then yes, it should not be done.

    And the questions still remain, if it was the law and it was being enacted, how did this 'security threat' manage to work there for almost 6 months?

    Is that not a fair question to ask in any inquiry into all this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,790 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Why would you think these are CC supporters making the comments?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,712 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    No it isn't, much. People who get really riled up about that stuff are already HH partisans. Floating voters leaning towards CC will see those comments and think "A minority of her supporters are dicks, so what she can't control that."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Aurelian


    CC seems to be Teflon, she could shoot someone on 5th Avenue or maybe Westmorland St. and it wouldn't effect her base.

    HH might win if the silent middle of the road majority is going to turn out and vote for her in greater numbers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    The turnout will be low I'd imagine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,538 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Apparently, there is another debate on RTE Radio 1 tomorrow at 1 o'clock moderated by David McCullagh.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,820 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    But what would that have to do with the role and functions of being President? Going down the hypothetical moral dilemma route seems a somewhat bizarre thing to be questioning her on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,880 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You could say the same about the FG/HH base, which remains unaffected by her campaign.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,844 ✭✭✭liamtech


    I still believe there is a lack of credibility on both sides, but in particular, from Connolly supporters.

    Catherine Connolly is a wonderful communicator, far better than most politicians. She communicates her message well, but this positive is sometimes a dual edged Sword. She has walked herself, and her campaign, into hot water on multiple occasions. The 'rapist/aras' controversy, was a direct result of the 'Eirigi fiasco', with both stories representing unforced errors in my opinion. Now her supporters will refute that, and say that she was 'taken out of context', or that her words were 'spun' to appear more controversial than they were. To that, i would obviously disagree, and i have made my feelings clear. But even to give some benefit here, and accept that there was some spin involved. If a candidates words require a sub campaign to 'clarify after the fact'; If Connolly supporters feel the need to explain, line by line, what she meant, pointing to IN and OUT of context statements? That is a losing battle in most elections. It probably wont be fatal in this case, because this is a ludicrous election. Three candidates, now reduced to two, and her remaining opponent wasnt even the first choice of her party.

    Heather Humphreys remains a non-entity in my mind. She could actually benefit from some controversy, because at least it would draw attention to her campaign. At the moment, the most controversial thing about HH's campaign, has been the comments made by Ivan Yates. A person who is, point of fact, not associated with her campaign, despite his previous career as a FG parliamentarian. Being as low key as she is, Humphreys lacks credibility based on the blindingly obvious fact, that she is not her party's first choice. She seems ill-equipped for a national election, and despite having a more tactically astute staff (one assumes), they are struggling to make her voice heard. The 'i love animals' moment demonstrated this; she is a non-entity, squeeky clean, 'no fuss' politician. The few other things which have come up, have been bland in the extreme. She said strange things in cabinet, re drink driving legislation. She refused to engage with the family of a road traffic victim. To her detractors, this may appear huge, but honestly; iv seen more scandal at a parent teacher meeting. Honestly she, and her base need to start making noise; Or its probably over.

    Its a poor election with two poor candidates. Connolly's base are more energized, and have begun to believe conspiratorially, that Connolly is being targeted; with her own spoken words and opinions, mostly in context. The Humphreys base, if there is an organized one to speak of, are remaining quiet, and really hoping that HH beats the odds. But its still a poor election, and they really need to 'make a fuss', unlike their actual candidate it seems.

    Those are my thoughts at present

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



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