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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,974 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Her comments are typical of the hubris that she projects. The fact that she chose to say it at that event makes it worse, I'm no fan of Ruhama, their position on women sex workers and prostitution is terrible but Ivana Bacik is a big supporter of them. Really backfired on MacNeill..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,867 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Fair play for sending it off Cluedo. Would you be thinking of running nxt election?

    I'd say out of her,probably thousands of, emails every day they'd be well filtered before she got the ones she needed to view. The chances yours got to her eye or ear would be probably zero. Even if you get a curt reply, unlikely it will be from her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,867 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    I can only imagine the rantings on here if HH had been asked if she'd employ a former rapist and said she'd have to reflect on that and not answered till the next day. Fcuk sake people, is there any woman in ireland apart from CC who would not have said absolutely not straight away. The only people who let themselves down on that were CC and the female leaders who defended her for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,998 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    It shows she can’t think on her feet and will likely create any number of diplomatic incidents as President - a disastrous reply which she’ll suffer for at the polls



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,881 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    This is another prime example of something she said being turned into something completely different.

    She was talking in the context of rehabilitation and had just said that 'every case is different' and would have to be looked at individually.
    Then came the question would she employ a rapist? It 'interrupted' what she was saying.
    Assuming the interviewer was talking about a rehabilitated rapist - she said, echoing the every case is different comment, that she would 'need to reflect'. Perfectly reasonable in the context.

    That quickly got changed to employing someone on the Sex Offenders List (who is by definition NOT rehabilitated).

    She was only asked that question directly 24 hours later and she said 'No absolutely not'.

    She didn't take '24 hours to answer a question', they were 2 different questions asked and she answered both.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,114 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I know how the game works. I have emailed TDs before.

    If enough people do it, the message will be understood. Emails definitely carry more weight. I will vote for Connolly in the next general election unless she is president. It's Hildegarde (who was also on the email) that needs to be concerned about losing votes. FG recently had 2 TDs in Galway West. Now it's 1....

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,974 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Completely disingenuous take and well you know it, go back and listen to the exchange.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,245 ✭✭✭BQQ


    It was a ridiculous gotcha question

    There is no way she could answer it that would please her detractors

    If she said no, then it’s “so you lied about being in favour of rehabilitation - what’s the real reason you hired UNS “

    If she said yes, it’s “she wants a rapist in the Áras”

    She said she’d have to think about it and that is being jumped on too

    Which is the correct answer by the way

    A lot of factors and context need to be weighed to come to a decision like that

    Is it a case of a 16 year old convicted of statutory rape of his 15 year old gf?

    Should this person be barred from all jobs for life?

    Is it a job where he would be working from home and not coming into contact with other people?

    Is there a risk of reoffending?

    She came back the next day and said for a job in LH the answer is no

    I don’t think HH would have been treated any differently if she was asked the question

    It’s the stupid gotcha mentality of political coverage these days



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,974 ✭✭✭MFPM


    How are you characterising 'suffer' at the polls, 1% drop, 10%, imploding? Do tell?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,867 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    I listened once, that's enough. It brought her to the situation that she couldn't answer it directly because she knew if she said she wouldn't she'd have been asked what was the difference in that and the other person she employed. She dodged it. She's a spoofer. Whether or not the minister made a statement and was criticised for it, it was all a dodge from the other party leaders to throw attention away from her error in judgement.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,998 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Or, she’s simply not up to the job of being president- HH didn’t create this situation - it was one of CC own making so stop blaming the press- or are you advocating that we don’t put questions to our future presidents? Not very democratic . Not all questions are “great” questions but the president will have to deal with a lot worse than that and it’s a test of their ability to think on their feet- by saying she had to “think” about the answer shows she can’t think on her feet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,881 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    They are TWO different questions.
    1. Would you employ a 'rehabilitated rapist'?
    2 Would you employ somebody on the Sex Offenders List?

    Like Oscar, somehow in your mind No 2 was the question asked and you need to ask how you came to think that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,867 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    If Connolly gets elected it might well go back up to 2. Are you thinking of running or is there another candidate in waiting over there.

    BTW, fair play, your vote is important and exercising your preference is your right and I've no qualms with anyone doing that.

    Replying to Cluedo, sorry, forgot to quote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,114 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Leave them off. The decent people in the electorate won't be fooled. The level of smears now is quite pathetic.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,867 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    I think most women would have said absolutely not to either question!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,245 ✭✭✭BQQ


    It doesn’t matter what she answered though, you still would’ve had a problem with it.

    I’d take her ability to think on her feet over Heather Humphreys all day long too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,998 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Many posters on boards alone, no less on other social platforms no less people I have spoke. to, have been greatly put off CC with these comments she’s made - and have stated categorically that they are not voting for her for this reason alone -had she not been so clumsy with her wordings and then has to continually justify herself again and again, she’d likely storm this election .

    There is definitely a growing concern in the media and from online social commentary that the controversial statements she’s made are not commensurate with the office of president - can I put a figure on it right now in terms of polls? Of course not, but I will wager that the final polls before election day will reflect an increase in support for HH



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,881 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Well, as a male, I wouldn't be so arrogant to decide that for any woman. And given 3 female leaders came out strongly against what J.C. MacNeill said, I don't think you can decide that either.

    Good that you accept they were two different questions though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,867 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Well three female leaders in my family were shocked at it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,114 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    No I am not thinking of running in Galway West. I don't know who would replace Connolly but it would be a very interesting by-election.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,881 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Given that there are rehabilitated people working in jobs all over the country they shouldn't be 'shocked'.
    I accept that they have a right to think what they wish of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,998 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “It doesn’t matter what she answered though, you still would’ve had a problem with it.”

    Eh no, that is not at all true and completely without foundation - I was more than willing to state that CC’s responses and delivery at the radio debate the other day surpassed that of HH- I’ve also been critical of HH when I believed it was merited.
    So sorry, yet again all I’m seeing here is undying devotion to CC and creating some sort of persecution complex against her- well it doesn’t work with me - I’ve proven I’m capable of giving praise to both candidates where it’s due - and to also criticise both candidates where necessary. Unfortunately that level of balance is not present in most posts supporting CC which is more the pity, as it would make for a far more interesting discussion



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,114 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Connolly destroyed the FFGG clowns in the Dail when the whitewashed Mother and Baby Home commission report was leaked by them before it was given to survivors. The Green leader O'Gorman promised to find the leak and expose them.

    What happened? Nothing. He was told to shut up by FFG who obviously did the leak.

    Minister to seek investigation into leak of Mother and Baby Home report – The Irish Times

    Minister to seek investigation into leak of Mother and Baby Home report.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,114 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,881 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    YOU are the poster deliberately changing entirely the text of what she is saying and using that changed text against her.

    I just showed you how you did that.

    That is the definition of persecuting a candidate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,998 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    As I said before, communication is in the interpretation - this is a presidential election not an academic thesis - I’ve never changed a direct quote from Connolly so please don’t say I did- that is a falsehood -but if one candidate is so clumsy with wording that not only I but our national newspapers and our national broadcaster take her to task on it, I think it clearly shows that it’s not us, it’s her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,881 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    communication is in the interpretation

    What in tarnation does that even mean?

    When you fundamentally change what she is saying how is that even remotely connected to 'interpretation'?

    What is unclear about this statement?

    "I come from Ireland which has a history of colonisation. I would be very wary of telling a sovereign people how to run their country.

    "The Palestinians must decide, in a democratic way, who they want to lead their country."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,998 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN



    communication is in the interpretation

    “What in tarnation does that even mean?”

    Firstly I’ve already replied to you previously quoting Connolly around her insistence that Hamas as “part of the fabric of the Palestinian people”- they’re not, they’re a terrorist organisation of dwindling numbers who are fast losing the iron grip they had over an innocent people and they deserve whatever fate awaits them. I’m not going there with you again no matter how many times you repeat quotes from CC. Her quote from RTÉ stands- I haven’t amended it in anyway so stop saying that I have- that is not sincere posting .

    As for communication, if someone says something that’s ambiguous or not clear in terms of where they stand overall on an issue , then yes, it is not the fault of the receiver of such a communication if they have a different interpretation of the intended message - it’s the fault of the sender.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/catherine-connolly-hamas-palestine-israel-presidential-candidate-6824142-Sep2025/



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,872 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    She was talking in the context of rehabilitation and had just said that 'every case is different' and would have to be looked at individually.

    Earlier, anyone who objected to her allowing an unvetted gun criminal months out of prison into the heart of Parliament was told that "you either believe in rehabilitation or you don't". Now it is case by case?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,881 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Here is what you said:

    when on the other hand you hear her preach about Hamas being an integral part of Palestinian society and that they must be part of the new Palestine

    You did NOT hear her say that because she NEVER said it.



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