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Who are buying all the new houses?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,362 ✭✭✭beggars_bush




  • Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This is a very harmful narrative put forward by people on the hard left, that anyone who wants to reduce immigration significantly wants it to stop entirely. It's childish, but to be fair most people see it for what it is nowadays. Things have moved on.



  • Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Spot on, this has to be how the economy runs, stop looking at importing people to fill shortages. If that's not done you might even end up with a housing crisis…



  • Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Btw snobbery over construction is a thing of the past. I get calls every week from people looking to get their son into one.

    The snobbery was a thing when there was no great money in it, times have changed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    There are teachers in my family, and I am very well acquainted with a career guidance teacher. Fashion and parental expectations are factors in choosing careers, regardless of the efforts made by schools or society to promote apprenticeships.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    This thread isn't about immigration, and immigration does need reform; there are numerous threads on the topic.

    It is not logical to think that the demand for housing could somehow be forced down, and prices would fall, and there would be housing for everyone. If house prices fell significantly, it would mean housing would not be built. Why would a builder be bothered building for no profit? There would be significant construction unemployment, and the economy would contract, causing even more unemployment.

    Immigration does need reform; those who advocate immigration reform might be preferable reasonable but who do they draw in around them? That is the issue: vulgar screaming with rage at a local politician, and much, much worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Yes it’s a very tiresome, reductive, and frankly dishonest tactic

    Unfortunately one that was also very prevalent amongst both politicians and the media: “The asylum system is dysfunctional and being abused”“Oh so you think all the foreign healthcare workers should be kicked out? The health system would collapse”So disingenuous

    I find the people that make this kind of argument are either ideologues that have no interest in engaging with any reality that challenges their ideology; or people that are already homeowners etc entirely insulated from any of the effects of all this. They enjoy the feelings of supposed moral superiority they get from shaming the apparent “xenophobes” (as they see it) that challenge them

    The fact they have to resort this kind of false sophistry is only evidence of the fact that their beliefs and assertions are not borne out by reality



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,789 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    The problem is land prices, not demand and not construction standards or apartment sizes or wages or material cost.

    Land prices have risen astronomically in this country for serviced sites, and there is basically nothing a builder can do other than pay what the owner asks.

    Land speculators are essentially middlemen who offer nothing but add a significant extra cost to the process of delivering new housing. It doesnt matter how many or few people come into the country, its a red herring. The prices will always rise to hit the maximum of what buyers can afford because land owners will keep pushing prices, until we either zone so much land that the prices plummet (not a good solution, will cause more tiger era sprawl), OR we reform how development land is zoned, owned, taxed and priced in this country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    And the reason you get those vulgar screaming freaks is because any individual or politician that does speak out on this issue, even when putting forward rather moderate arguments have their words twisted and their views misrepresented as being couched in simple hatred by both the media and left wing politicians such as Paul Murphy and Ruth Coppinger etc or refusal to engage with the issue in an honest manner as we’ve seen above

    The chilling effect that this has results in the entire debate being left to the fringe extremists which of course is not desirable either. Plenty of other countries such as Denmark have been able to have a calm, rational and honest national conversation about this issue, and it’s a real shame the same can’t be said for Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,675 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


     rational and honest national conversation about this issue, and it’s a real shame the same can’t be said for Ireland.

    Who is preventing you from doing this?

    So far on the thread we have get rid of Non EU Deliveroo Drivers. That's it.

    How many people is that? 100? 1000? Do you know?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    I am not someone with a national audience like a politician or national television/radio figure/influencer firstly.
    In the realm I can comment in (like here) we have the people I described that either try and paint any suggestions as racism or engaging dishonestly with bad faith tactics as I described above. Plenty of examples of that here and in the immigration thread.

    No that’s a misrepresentation - even in the last couple of pages I gave Non EU non essential workers (delivery drivers only being one example of this cohort), Non EU student visas, and non genuine asylum seekers as suggestions to start with. I am not purporting to be an authority giving an exhaustive list here.

    No I don’t know precisely how many that is, it certainly numbers in the thousands in any case. Thousands of people that are putting unnecessary pressure on our national housing and infrastructure. Do you know how many it is?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,675 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I didn't ask you to guess.

    A simple I don't know would suffice.

    You are demanding honest and rational right?

    Non EU student visas

    No more wealthy Canadians, Americans, Indians, Chinese etc attending colleges or Universities. I presume you would let the Brits attend?

    What would you assume would be the negative and positive consequences of that?

    non genuine asylum seekers as suggestions to start with

    Absolutely, gone and the quicker the better.

    Good news though.

    Asylum applications in Ireland have seen a significant decrease of approximately 40% in the first quarter of 2025 compared to the previous year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    I presume you would let the Brits attend?

    Let us never forget the Peter Griffin meme. I don't even need to post it as we all know which one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Do you disagree that it’s in the thousands? And actually I quite literally said I don’t know - thanks for misrepresenting again

    Honest yep, maybe you try that sometime, second time you’ve misrepresented what I’ve said in as many comments

    Yes. We should not be relying on non EU students to subsidise our third level education system. And we have a common travel area with Britain in case you weren’t aware.

    Happy to see that trend accelerated further



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Facile veiled suggestion that I’m a racist for what I’ve said above with zero engagement with the content of what I’ve said?

    Thank you for proving my point for me 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,675 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Do you disagree that it’s in the thousands?

    Huh? You admitted the number is a figment of you imagination.

    I asked you specifically what the number was, I didn't ask you to take a guess at it.

    We should not be relying on non EU students to subsidise our third level education system.

    So the net effect will be either more government funding or more expensive fees for students or both.

    So what rise in your tax liability would you be willing to take yourself personally for that or how much should fees go up?

    Also foreign students are estimated to add 2.5 billion to the economy. Obviously the net effect of that will be job losses, less money for people, etc. Larger social welfare budget and social supports. Again that will need to be funded by us.

    Happy to see that trend accelerated further

    You are demanding honest and rational debating, you can't even answer a simple question.

    🤷‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭CatLick


    Unfortunately we are running a luxury economy on bare subsistence infrastructure. It's not the Deliveroo riders fault as opposed to Government mismanagement. The Left wouldn't do any better FWIW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    The number is in the thousands like I said, if you have anything to say otherwise please go ahead

    You’re only fixated on the specific number (which I said I didn’t know) as part of your usual sea lioning tactics

    Yes probably, I don’t think it’s a mad suggestion that government funded education system should be funded by the government. Our universities should be to develop Irish students, not to act as degree mills for people that want to buy a degree - this is an ongoing issue with the masters courses in UCD.

    Is that 2.5 billion net? What’s the breakdown of that? How much accommodation do they require on an annual basis? Be exact



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,675 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The number is in the thousands like I said

    Citation please?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,265 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    I wouldn't agree tbh.

    I think the education system is geared towards sending as many people as possible to college.
    College suits some people but not all not even sure would it be 50/50.

    A lot more people should be hired via apprenticeships.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,265 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Apprenticeships aren’t just for trades.
    Accountancy

    Insurance

    Project management

    All professional services that can have apprenticeships as part of gaining experience and a recognised Qualification while earning money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,389 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Traditionally it's the kids that don't do well in school that take up a trade. Any college material ain't going blocklaying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,057 ✭✭✭donaghs


    same diversion. Has anyone proposed “stopping immigration”? No



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,389 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Leave the EU and cancel the free travel agreement with the UK which is our single biggest immigrant nation.

    Can't deny we need workers for all sorts of essential services.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,057 ✭✭✭donaghs


    Ridiculous to even suggest that “maintenance” can employ anywhere near the same numbers of people as actual constructions does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,057 ✭✭✭donaghs


    Nowadays, white collar jobs like accountancy expect you to have a degree at least.
    didn’t in the past, which shows it’s probably not really needed - but it is required these days to get the recruitment people to look at your cv.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,057 ✭✭✭donaghs


    I think you maybe having that conversation with someone else? If so, respond to their comment. I never said that. Or maybe setup a new thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    They’re having the conversation with their own strawman



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,389 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    No other way to stop immigration. Free travel area.



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