Israel/Palestine Thread

absolutely it should be paid by the ones who bloody destroyed it. But wait for it.. the school kids will be bringing home sponsorship cards here by next week.

Israel is allowed to defend its own citizens.

You say killing civilians is an act of war. Israel had killed over 200 Palestinian civilians in 2023, before October 7th. Was this an act of war?

You say that as though Palestinians were just living peacefully before that date, and not firing rockets daily into Israel for years.

Israel is allowed to retaliate for the killing of its civilians but the Palestinians should just accept the killing of their civilians? Why?

Because firing rockets or stabbing civilians at bus stops is illegal.

In claiming to defend its own citizens it is not allowed to commit ethnic cleansing and genocide.

I agree.

Also saying that the Israeli/Palestinian conflict started on October 7th is as accurate as saying the Irish/British conflict started with the Canary Wharf bombing.

LOL when do you think it started then? 1948 when Israel accepted a two state solution and were attacked by their neighbouring Arab states?

Or before that, when there were multiple pogroms against Jews in Ottoman Palestine?

Or when?

I mean, what conflict genuinely begins ab-initio on a particular day? When did the Northern Ireland conflict begin? In 1969? Or 1968? Or 1921? Or maybe even before NI actually existed??

'Fighting back' is a somewhat unusual way of framing a colonial occupying power (Israeli military is 10 to 15 times the size of Hamas and with a massive military arsenal). Virtually any type of occupying entity which uses widespread violence against the people it is occupying could nearly expect to have to face a violent insurgency movement at some point. Fighting back suggests Israel are somehow the victim in all this and blameless of any wrongdoing.

Why don't you explain then? For example here:

The expected incidental civilian harm must be compared with the anticipated ‘concrete and direct military advantage’. Because of the requirement that the advantage must be ‘military’ in character, advantages which are solely political, psychological, economic, financial, social or moral must be excluded from the equation. It is generally agreed that neither disrupting government propaganda nor undermining the morale of the population offers a concrete and direct military advantage.

If Hamas is using civilians to shield its own fighters, then civilian deaths are largely the fault of Hamas, because Israel is, under international law, entitled to fight Hamas. Otherwise you're saying that any country that chooses to sacrifice its own civilians in order to protect its soldiers becomes untouchable. Luckily most countries are not run by psychopaths of that level - although I can possibly see North Korea doing it. But Hamas is one of the few exceptions. And since Hamas' stated aim is to destroy Israel, then Israel's stated aim of destroying Hamas militarily is proportionate.

And I notice you haven't made any attempt to say what you think would have been an appropriate response to Oct 7?

Well of course you haven't.

But only Israel isn't allowed to defend its own citizens against outside attacks.

I have not seen a single person saying that in this thread. They are not allowed to commit genocide. That is not self defense.

We know that not all Gazans are Hamas supporters, 

Who is "we"?

A poster a few pages, @ELM327 posted this nugget, referring to Gaza...

2 years on and H*mas have not been obliterated. They (H*mas) are winning the global propaganda war. Time to level the place and bring this matter to an end.

Another poster @DayInTheBog said the below

Surely the press would be showing pictures of famine sticken kids telling us it's finally over and theyve s chance of growing up to be full blown terrorists.

Does it sounds like there is differentiation between Hamas and Gazan citizens? This is the side you are on when you say "we". These posts were from yesterday. Day in day out we read them. Never seen you challenge a single one.

I am not surprised you brought up Dresden, or Hiroshima, you guys always do. People could equally bring up parallels with the Nazi Holocaust, Milosevic, the Hutus, because after all, this has been almost universally been declared a genocide by almost all relevant bodies. You or anybody can not tell me why this would happen. Dozens and dozens of experts who do this all over the world have independently declared this, and all got it wrong somehow? Or are all antisemites? Pull the other one.

Also, the legal definition of genocide wasn't a thing during WW2 - the crimes of Ww2 are what brought about the UN/ ICC/ ICJ / genocide terminology.

But one thing you people who drone on about Nagasaki and Dresden often leave out is intent, and rhetoric of those in power. That is one of the main indicators of genocide, as has been said before, it isn't all about bodies.

Did the leaders in the USA or UK ever call all Germans /Japanese, human animals and scum?

Did they ever say ALL Germans and Japanese (implicating all from elderly to babies) were guilty for their warcrimes, and none are innocent?

Did speakers in their houses ever call for their women and children to be separated and all adult men murdered?

Did their minister of justice ever call for the military to kill every woman in their house, less they raise more "snakes"?

Did they ever talk about the real estate bonanza that will occur once the Germans and Japanese were all "gone"?

Did they ever speak openly about settling Japan or Germany? That the land of Germany and Japan was rightfully theirs?

Did they ever actually defacto annex German and Japanese towns using extremists religious settlers on historical lands and claim them for themselves?

Did their prime minister/ president ever describe them as Amalek, that every man woman child, and even their animals, should be destroyed?

I could go on all day. There are hundreds of cases of Israeli politicians and military leaders inciting genocide. I believe 500 were submitted to the ICJ if I remember correctly. What is that if not intent? Why don't you believe them when they say it, and why shouldn't we when we look at the devastation they have caused?

When can we expect the international media and non-govermental organisations be allowed into Gaza?

For the people who are brainwashed by Israeli propaganda.

For sure - no need for anyone to lie about it. It just feeds into the other lies we see on this thread and by US/ UK/ Israeli politicians, so people even question heinous crimes like this because it's impossible to unwrap from the bulls*it.

In the years to come, people who lied like this again and again will be proven caught out, and will have massively damaged Israel, not helped it.

Agreed, but there was no need for the lies about it at all plus the lies about Gaza, it means that Israel is no longer believed on what they say until verified by an unbiased source.

17 more Palestinians killed today in Gaza....

Still no sign of that ceasefire?

The link is a json file. The final entry is at the bottom.

17 more people killed is teething problems?

After the $400 million bribe Qatar gave to Trump, I wonder what else he will do for them?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/activist-laura-loomer-blasts-pentagon-over-planned-qatar-military-facility-idaho-2025-10-10/

October 7 2023 barely rates on a scale of 1 to 100 in comparison with the atrocities committed by Israel. Probably over 100,000 dead Palestinians in the last two years, probably well over 250,000 injured, all habitation destroyed, people starved to death, babies on incubators left to die, Israelis playing games with shooting different parts of the bodies of children, Israeli scum that need to be brought to trial in the Hague.

Jesus Christ man, I get your point but a json file? Why would you inflict that on anyone? Someone must be ingesting this into a human readable format somewhere, surely?