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European Parliament votes to ban use of words like "burger" or "steak" for plant-food

  • 10-10-2025 09:56AM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭


    The European Parliament has voted 355-247 to ban plant based foods calling themselves names of meat based foods like burgers, sausages etc.

    Still unclear if the ban will come into force.

    I think this is overreach.



Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,370 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    This just looks like pandering to farmers to me. We see a Europe that is ageing, that is falling behind the US in terms of innovation, that is crumbling in terms of unity and one that is struggling with challenges like climate change and this is what they want to do. I can't see traditional meat-based farming continuing for that much longer. Decades, yes but I expect the supermarket shelves of the 2050's and beyond to have the meat section, if there is one, to be where the plant-based substitutes are now.

    As the OP said, this may not go through. We need to be encouraging more plant-based meat, not less. I still eat meat. I can't see myself ever going vegan but I do think the plant-based stuff is just better, health-wise.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    What is plant based meat

    I mean the definition of meat is the flesh of an animal/fish

    You would think vegans or vegetarians would not want to be associated with the word.

    Not should the word burger or sausage should be associated with just meats is another matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Space Dog


    Let's rename sausage dogs as well please, too confusing for me, makes me think I should be eating them! I'd also vote for renaming hot dogs, it's false advertising in my opinion. And I'm still mad that kinder chocolate isn't made of children. Not to mention coconut milk, or does a coconut tree have mammary glands now? And from which animal do you get Milk of Magnesia?

    These are all other very important name changes the dairy and meat industry should lobby for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,572 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    It is probably not so much traditional plant burgers and the like that they are worried about, which I suspect don't have a huge market at present, but rather down the line, something like lab-grown meat that might have a texture and flavour very similar to farmed meat. Though expensive now, if scaled up properly, these products could wipe out a lot of the current market for meat. By attacking plant-based burgers and the like, they've established the principle which will make it a lot easier to combat vat-grown alternatives when they start being commercially viable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭Irish_wolf


    I don't care too much but I'm slightly in favour of making companies come up with new names for this relatively recently made foodstuff although I think Steak* with a big asterisk should suffice rather than an outright ban. Most of these "meat" alternatives are heavily salted and full of ultra-processed ingredients, not really what we should be aiming for in my opinion.

    The ultimate goal of all this increased vegetarianism is a reduction in carbon emissions and an improvement in population health, and there are plenty of studies to suggest this would be the case although these must be taken with a grain of salt as the average meat eaters diet is usually pretty terrible. Beef is great if done right, full of essential nutrients and vitamins, but if you are consuming it in a bun with a fatty sugary sauce and a pile of deep fried chips it's no wonder that the results are skewed against it.

    If you look at healthy vegan/vegetarian diets across the world they very rarely resemble a western meal with just a straight substitute meat for a plant based processed variety. Instead the meal is centred directly around vegetable/s or legume/s as the primary ingredient. Plant based diets are usually healthier if done right but you need to change your entire view on your meals. If you like chili-con-carne every Tuesday simply substituting the mince for a plant based alternative "mince" will not give the same benefits as changing it to a recipe that focus on chickpeas, pinto beans, kidney beans, lentils etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,773 ✭✭✭JVince


    A burger / sausage for me is the shape/use of the item.

    There are too many vegetarian items that "mimic" meat items in their name - eg Beyond Beef, Chickenless,

    Any actual meat wording or play on a meat term should definitely be banned, but general terms such as Burger / Sausage should be permitted to continue as it describes the shape more than the content



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,787 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Some pork sausages out there can contain as little as 60% meat with the rest being fillers, usually breadcrumbs. In the interest of fairness are we going to force them to drop the word "sausage" from their packaging?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,110 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Yeah they might want to be careful what they wish for. If they bring in clear definitions of what constitutes a burger or a sausage, a lot of things that are currently called a burger may no longer qualify.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,605 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    I think you're overestimating the meat content of the average sausage sold in Ireland.

    German Chancellor Friedrich Merz - whose party is a key member of the EPP - fully backs the ban. "A sausage is a sausage. Sausage is not vegan," he said recently.

    From the link in the OP

    A 'sausage' can be vegan herr Merz, it's a shape not a description of ingredients.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,787 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Just one random example I came across

    https://www.tesco.ie/groceries/en-IE/products/250816355

    Highlights

    • Made with 100% Irish beef
    • Delicious BBQ from frozen
    • No artificial colours, flavours or preservatives

    Ingredients

    Beef (77%), Onion (11%), Water, Fortified Wheat Flour (Wheat, Calcium Carbonate, Iron, Niacin, Thiamin), Salt, Onion Powder, Beef Fat, Dextrose, Yeast Extract, Celery Extract, Black Pepper, Pepper Extract, Natural Flavourings

    Not sure how this is allowable TBH



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,787 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Well breadcrumbs and onions are vegan friendly, so technically they shouldn't be in a sausage or a burger



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,605 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    What 'technicality' are you referring to, one you just made up?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,110 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    It means the beef is 100% Irish beef. Of course the burger is not 100% beef, because then it would be a steak. To make a burger, you do need other ingredients, like a bit of flour to hold it together and onion and pepper to add flavour.

    The burger being 77% meat is pretty good to be honest. I am sure if you do some searching you can find better, or should I say worse examples. An EU bill coming in saying "A burger must be at least 50% meat" could well result in some well known brands dropping burger from their description.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,110 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Every burger or sausage you have ever eaten has had breadcrumbs and or onion in it.

    Have you never made a burger at home?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,968 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    I use an egg as a binder instead of breadcrumbs and rarely put onion through my mince especially when feeling lazy.

    There's a lot of burgers out there without breadcrumbs and onions, even from McDonalds.

    https://www.mcdonalds.com/gb/en-gb/product/hamburger.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,110 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I use an egg as well. I know there are lots with no breadcrumbs or onion, but there are lots of very good tasty burgers out there that do have them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 369 ✭✭sugarman20


    Delighted! Bye bye cauliflower chicken wings.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,968 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Sorry was just being pedantic as you had said every burger that you've ever eaten has had breadcrumbs and or onion in it.

    Another bit of pedantry, they're never called cauliflower chicken wings, as including chicken would be unnecessarily confusing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,605 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    I cooked myself a beef burger yesterday that was 100% beef and whenever I make it myself it always is. Steak mince formed into a patty and grilled.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,110 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Sorry was just being pedantic as you had said every burger that you've ever eaten has had breadcrumbs and or onion in it.

    I was replying to a poster who was saying breadcrumbs or onion were vegan and so should not be in a burger. I simply meant many burgers come with additional ingredients not just beef I read the link you provided that said mcdonalds burgers are just beef and salt and pepper. OK, fair enough, but theres many others out there that have a few other bits in them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,968 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Ye there are and often these additions enhance the actual burger itself, I thought you genuinely believed all burgers had breadcrumbs and onions. The other posters point on not putting "vegan products" in them was ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,110 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    In Caesars Palace in Vegas I had a burger that had chopped jalapenos in the burger patty. Absolutely delicious. I tried recreating it at home with some success but not as good. I'll have to go back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭rock22


    No problem with that. Hamburgers were never 100% meat, that was the whole purpose of them in the first place, it was to use up left over ingredients at the end of the voyage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,081 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Nobody expects a sausage to be 100% meat ffs. If somebody actually tried to concoct such a thing, it'd be dry and inedible

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,081 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,110 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I have to say, his momma's burger sounds pretty good to me.



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