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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    That isnt what you said? In response to their being famine in Gaza you said…

    It's well documented that Hamas are intercepting food supplies just like they always did



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Interesting news, could mean Israel are going to release and deport him. He is a potential future Palestinian leader so some PA officials may want him exiled?

    Fadwa Barghouti, the wife of jailed Palestinian leader Marwan Barghouti, abruptly left Ramallah for Cairo late Tuesday, a Palestinian source told the Israeli news outlet Ynet.

    https://www.thenationalnews.com/news/mena/2025/08/15/who-is-marwan-barghouti-palestine/

    https://www.thenationalnews.com/arts-culture/books/page-by-page-marwan-barghouti-s-anti-war-tome-walked-out-of-prison-1.379493



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,120 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    The statement by the Israeli government spokesperson from Netenyahu’s office live now is one of the biggest spin failures since Comical Ali claiming there were no American tanks in Baghdad.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,120 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    She is now telling journalists that journalists have always been allowed into the Gaza Strip 😆

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,229 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    The report I read makes is completely inconclusive as whether the aid was being looted by Hamas or proxies of that terror group.

    So for me it’s one sides word against the others.

    I take offence against this accusation of “empty trolling” and feel that that is the ‘go to ‘ accusation by a hard core of posters supporting Palestine posting here against anyone who dares to offer contrary opinions to theirs.

    I would respectfully expect you to withdraw that remark publicly on this thread.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,195 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,120 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,195 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Research into Israeli theft and lies to produce propaganda to justify attacking medical facilities in Gaza and other buildings across the middle east…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,120 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Probably just a technical error like the time they murdered the paramedics and buried their ambulances and denied it until the video emerged. An easy mistake to make.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,486 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Tbf that could have been done just minutes or hours before it was official, wouldn't be the first time that soldiers try to get some extra shots in right before a ceasefire or peace deal.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,400 ✭✭✭✭Grayson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    You didn't, and don't, offer any opinions though. You ask cryptic questions, people answer you and....pfffff.....gone

    You mock people for basing opinions on news articles they are getting, calling them students or some odd sneer that goes over my head, whilst being unable to explain what it is you think is going on. You describe mass murder of civilians as "senior hurling". Not the comments of a serious poster.

    Though then again, I'm guilty of a fair bit of sneering myself, so can't hold that against you - has to be some bit of humour here to alleviate the depressing sociopathic sh*te we all have to read over and over again.

    But good - you have engaged here, thank you and I apologize for any offense, I was wrong.

    The articles I sent quote the IDF and US government in saying there is no evidence that aid is being systematically looted by Hamas, as was claimed by the Israeli politicians as the rationale for causing famine in Gaza, and regurgitated by people on this thread. The US investigations found less than 1% of aid was stolen or obtained via fraud. So not the cause of famine as a previous poster implied.

    Whose word are you taking, to refute this? @DayInTheBog ? The Israeli foreign ministry?

    If someone else, send on the article for all to read.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,637 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The same old canards are brought up frequently. They have all been debunked time and time again.

    They are brought up because these are the only nonsense arguments or points of discussion these people have. And they will be debunked again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,397 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    govt could fall

    There are probably weasel worded conditions in place that will prevent that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,637 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    from what I know and as posted here by another, Smotrich for sure is apoplectic. If he is, Ben-Gvir is probably about to have a meltdown.

    Both could cause enough trouble to bring it all crashing down. Gvir already resigned once - he re-entered the cabinet on the condition Israel restarted its genocide last March - which they did by reneging on the existing cease-fire.

    Both have no desire for peace - they want Palestinians wiped out so they can take all the land and settle it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Nice to see the footage of gazans and israelis celebrating the potential end of this war



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,485 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Most Zionists will be absolutely fuming at this deal. Israeli troops withdrawing, end of the dream of the ethnic cleansing of Gaza, the enclave being gradually rebuilt etc.

    Trump clearly railroaded Netanyahu into signing the agreement and told him he had no other choice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 686 ✭✭✭Lawlesz


    Its not just your querying figures though, and you know that so spare the faux outrage. You have jumped in and out of this thread several times over the last few months, usually peddling Israeli propaganda. If you refuse to call out and condemn what is accepted by virtually all the relevant bodies and authorities as a genocide, its hardly a stretch to assume you are in favour of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    If the war is over, the real work of hunting down those responsible for war crimes should begin in earnest. Building on the work carried out by the hind rajab foundation. Should be nowhere safe for those soldiers and their superiors that have murdered civilians



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,135 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    I'd be shocked if this ceasefire lasts longer than a couple of months.

    As depressing as that thought is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Strange. The only people I see who dont seem happy about this deal definitely arent zionists



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,397 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,485 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I think the only part the Israelis are 'happy' about is the impending release of the hostages - possibly the fact that IDF members are relatively safer too.

    There's a lot for them to be unhappy about: withdrawal of Israeli troops, knowledge that Gaza will be rebuilt and not as an Israeli settler colony but for the people of Gaza, possiblity of a two state solution still very much in the table etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Is the head of a party called "Religious Zionism" not a Zionist these days no? Because he isn't happy with it. In fact, he is voting against it.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/smotrich-says-he-will-vote-against-deal-claims-war-to-continue/



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,862 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    maybe you should widen your viewpoint then???

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/smotrich-says-he-will-oppose-hostage-deal-as-his-party-weighs-quitting-the-government/

    Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich announced on Thursday morning that his far-right Religious Zionism party will not vote in support of a Gaza ceasefire deal 

    unless of course you claim that Smotrich isnt a zionist 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,229 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    I welcome the apology but to clothe it with an ill thought out abusive post kind of strips the thin veneer off it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    I dunno, i was trying explain the troll accusation - I held that assumption based on prior posts I've seen you put up here. But you replied, and proved me wrong, so I said sorry.

    Now, you said you had conflicting information that Hamas had indeed been systematically stealing aid, indicating the IDF and US government were wrong in their separate investigations into the matter.

    The argument must be compelling to make you discount the above. Can you share it with us?

    Also, you alluded previously that the flotilla people may have been involved in illicit funding.

    Clearly, they were in receipt of such, documentary proof was found they are all in Hamas - the Israeli foreign office posted it themselves. They also told us George Galloway is actually a snr Hamas negotiator, or is capable of becoming one, whereas we see him as a British politician. That was a genuine post from them.

    Any thoughts on that? Nobody seems to be applying their probing questions to this very important piece of information for some reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 723 ✭✭✭Fr D Maugire


    As much as i want the peace to hold, I don't think it will last that long either. Once the Israeli hostages are returned, the plan will collapse for very little reason at all, and all those vague parts of the peace plan will disappear real quick as always was intended.

    I posted a while back that the US could sort a two-state solution in no time at all if there was the political will to do so, and we see the influence of the US with this rather weak peace plan. Does anyone now doubt that without Zionist influences in the US, this would have been sorted a long time ago? Amazingly it has come down to the oversized ego of one person to get a peace deal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,637 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    With all due respect, your posts in general have a very thin, nay, microscopic, veneer of credibility.

    You make statements without backing them up and when challenged with credible reports that debunk your assertions, you get all snarky and run away. And you're well able to put up abusive posts yourself. I can see how they can be seen as bordering on trolling.

    If however you are prepared to engage in debate on corroborated evidence, that is to be welcomed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Israel has no interest in giving refuge to its collaborators.

    With a Gaza ceasefire deal agreed between Hamas and Israel, questions are mounting over the fate of collaborators and militia members who worked alongside Israeli forces, after reports that the army has rejected a proposal to evacuate them once the war on Gaza comes to an end.

    According to a report in Israel Hayom, an internal security discussion exposed deep divisions between the Israeli army and the Shin Bet over what to do with the so-called "supported militias" operating in Gaza.

    The paper said the Shin Bet had proposed transferring members of these units to closed camps within the Gaza envelope after the fighting ends, as a temporary measure "to protect them and maintain security control".

    However, the army reportedly opposed the plan. The head of the Southern Command argued that "the potential danger these individuals pose to Israeli civilians outweighs any obligation to provide them protection," citing intelligence warnings that some of the militia members had already fled after receiving "promises of amnesty from Hamas".



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