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Who are buying all the new houses?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,202 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    How about cleaners and care assistants? Generally speaking, Irish people are 'above' doing these jobs, and would prefer the dole.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,389 ✭✭✭✭kneemos




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,748 ✭✭✭enricoh




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭CatLick


    Both essential worker categories imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,591 ✭✭✭standardg60


    I see we've just narrowed the problem down to deliveroo and kebab shop workers now, that'll solve the housing crisis alright 🙄



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭CatLick


    House building standards are probably a bit high, smaller developers have trouble getting finances, infrastructure lags across the board. All major issues. But don't add to the problem by importing non essential workers.



  • Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Relying on immigration to fix skills shortages to the extent you are importing mechanics is a pretty dangerous game. Fifty new Dublin bus mechanics inevitably means putting more pressure on housing. Although you can certainly make a strong case that it's a worthwhile trade off given the importance of public transport.

    Yet, that example can't continue to be followed across the economy. The bottom line is it needs to be much harder to bring workers into Ireland, outside of a few select professions. The housing crisis is way too severe, immigration is far too high.

    I think people overestimate pro mass immigration sentiment. Our Government is an outlier, almost every other Government in western Europe is trying to reduce immigration. I don't think it's unfair to say that most people in Ireland would like to see immigration reduce significantly here.

    It's very hard to argue that immigration hasn't been too high when there is quite serious discussion about reducing the minimum size of housing. That means reducing the minimum standards future Irish people will live in, to facilitate mass immigration.

    It's unfortunate, but immigration genuinely is at the centre of a huge amount of problems nowadays. School places, lack of GPs, most importantly housing in urban areas.

    The level of immigration over many years has caused massive problems, and unfortunately attempts are still being made to minimise the reality.

    None of this is anti immigrant. No one can blame any person for coming here legally. The blame is on our own Government who haven't acted to reduce the numbers.

    An unfortunate thing about the debate is that it is so often characterised by ideology rather than reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,677 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Our Government is an outlier, almost every other Government in western Europe is trying to reduce immigration

    Net migration into the Republic of Ireland reduced by 25% in the year to April 2025

    A trend which is predicted to continue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,389 ✭✭✭✭kneemos




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Why do people always take this ridiculous and transparent bad faith position that there are actual serious suggestions that we “stop immigration” entirely

    Nobody (bar a minuscule few extremists) is saying to “stop immigration” outright

    We can limit immigration to EU nationals and non EU for absolutely essential workers only

    It’s not all or nothing. Stop pretending like it is, or that anyone is actually suggesting that genuinely. Everyone can see exactly what you’re doing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,879 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Immigrants are coming here to work as doctors. You cant increase the number of doctors to where it needs to be without immigrants.

    A lot of the people building our houses are also immigrants.

    If all the immigrant builders went home tomorrow, how many new homes do you think we would build?

    There is a big difference between immigrants working here in skilled labour and people that dont work at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,389 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    That's exactly who's coming.

    Who are these mysterious hoards of non EU or visa holders that people think are coming here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,265 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Relatively Quick way to fix the skills short with regard to trades and professionals is to stop pushing college on everyone in school at every opportunity and promote apprenticeships.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    No one pushes college on anyone; it's a choice. Apprenticeships are very heavily promoted, although I do think there should be an apprenticeship guarantee to any young person who wants one, backed by the government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    When was the last time you were in an Irish secondary school? The LC and getting points needed for college courses is basically pushed from day 1.

    Apprenticeships aren't really promoted at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,389 ✭✭✭✭kneemos




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    Agree to disagree, media commentary, Ireland needs more construction apprenticeships, just not their son or daughter who's off to be a barrister and work for a tech multinationals, it's the same with the anti-immigrant lot, stop bringing care assistants in on a visa, force the unsuitable long-term unemployed to become care assistants but they themselves or their children won't be training to be care assistants. Their versions of wanting an easy answer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,389 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Construction in particular is very cyclical. No use having loads of carpenters,blocklayers and plumbers when in five or ten years the crisis will be over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Deliveroo drivers are not essential workers, I’m sorry but you’ll not convince me of that.
    Far too many non EU student visas being granted also. Finally there are the asylum applicants, which as we know about 80% of whom are not genuine.

    Mad that in the last 3 years all of a sudden our country is no longer viable without non EU takeaway drivers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,591 ✭✭✭standardg60


    There have been plenty of suggestions that we need to stop immigration entirely on this very thread, have you not seen them?

    The whole argument that we would be better off if 'some' aspect of immigration was limited is ridiculous. Why? Because we still are the the only country in the developed world that has a population less than that of what it was 2 centuries ago. We simply need immigration to grow the economy, we never had a hope of doing it ourselves.

    We had a population of 8 million once upon a time where no doubt lots struggled to put a roof over their heads. I wonder did they complain there were too many people in the country?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,503 ✭✭✭almostover


    Agreed, I can't remember the last time I was in a chipper in rural Ireland run by Irish people. The reason these establishments are run be immigrants typically is because we have become above frying chips and grilling burgers for small money. Simple as.

    My local takeaway in a small village is run by very nice gentlemen from Pakistan. It's an important amenity to the village. Without them the place would most likely be shut.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    They can all transition to refurbishment; nobody has invented a maintenance-free house yet, let alone all the new kitchen and bathroom makeovers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,503 ✭✭✭almostover


    I went to a vocational school in the noughties, if you had any level of academic ability at all then you were very much encouraged to go down the college route. The apprenticeships were only ever encouraged to wreckers and class clowns.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭littlefeet




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,503 ✭✭✭almostover


    Its market economics and nothing else. Deliveroo exists because people want it and are too feckin lazy to pick up their own takeaway. And to make the business model economically viable the drivers need to be on minimum wage or close to it. Irish people aren't likely to be interested in doing it as a job therefore low paid migrant workers are the only option.

    Not saying I agree with that. Deliveroo is hardly a necessity. But we have an open economy and the benefits that come with that such as high paid MNC jobs. The downside is low paid work like Deliveroo driving and having to hire immigrants to do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Yeah it was brilliant back then wasn’t it, people living in hovels and several families to a room in disgusting tenements, definitely what we should aspire to 👍

    Why does this population growth have to occur at such an insane rate? Why can’t the population grow at a more sustainable rate that allows us to implement infrastructure to ease the expanding demand?

    So we shouldn’t complain and be happy enough that we are exacerbating a severe housing crisis because the economy? What is even the point if it means your average Joe is going to struggle massively to get a home?
    I prefer to live in a society, not an economy.

    Laughable comment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Exactly, it’s not a necessity

    Hire an Irish or EU national to do it - if the business model relies on importing non EU as wage slaves then perhaps they need to question if the model is truly viable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,503 ✭✭✭almostover


    I agree with you in principle.

    The reality is though that we operate an open economy and without immigrant labour we would become uncompetitive very quickly.

    It's wrong in principle, I agree. But it is the situation we find ourselves in. The alternative is having to pay more for the goods and services that we need / want. If we're willing to do that then fine.

    Remember the COVID era drama over Keelings hiring immigrants for the berry harvest? The alternative is for Irish people to harvest the crop and the consumer pay more for their berries. If we're willing to do that then fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    More than happy to have EU immigrants and non EU immigrant labour for jobs that are actually essential

    Fully accept your example, but I’m saying for the moment we need to prioritise getting our house in order in terms of infrastructure and housing as a priority. In the last couple of years we’ve seen the largest proportional increase in population of any non micro state country in the last century. This needs to be addressed practically. If that means we have to pay a bit more for berries for a few years until we can get on top of things so be it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    You didn’t answer my question, when was the last time you were in Irish secondary school?



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