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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,229 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Of the worst genocide of our lifetime. I think the same activists would rather it continue than Donald Trump sort a ceasefire. How crazy is that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,566 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    The crazy part is ignoring all his other actions and only focusing on this. 'Forever a hero' is ridiculous when he's sending troops into his own cities purely because they are ran by his political opponents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,619 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,716 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    He's also starting a civil war at home and is responsible for the destabilisation of the US. He also likely wasn't nominated before the deadline.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    And his desperation to get it is just because Obama got it. He wouldn't give two hoots otherwise.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,438 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Is he even putting in any effort? He could end it today by embargoing Israel.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,610 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    He had the power to impose a ceasefire months ago but instead chose to encourage the Netanyahu to go all in. There could have been thousands less people killed in this conflict had Trump wanted peace - but he didn't!

    Trump has no interest in peace. Look at his behaviour within the US - he is clearly trying to stir up tensions so that he is handed an excuse to send in the military which would give him an excuse to cancel the mid-terms. He doesn't want peace: he wants power and adoration at any cost!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 997 ✭✭✭The Phantom Jipper


    It's absurd to suggest he could or should get a Peace prize. He was perhaps most responsible in funding, arming and encouraging a genocide and campaign of ethnic cleansing. He will not be getting an award just because he has stopped egging on a genocide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,438 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Why doesn't he release the Epstein files then?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 31,438 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    If the Trump administration can sustain a ceasefire that ultimately leads to an end to the conflict in Gaza and start to reverse the frankly unfathomable leavels of human suffering the Palestinians have been subjected to, then they do deserve some credit for actually putting enough pressure on to end things.

    That's a very big if at the moment given how the Israeli government have completely reneged on past attempts at ceasefires.

    And let's not forget that a ceasefire does not negate both the Trump and Biden administrations' (not to mention Congress') overt, often bloodthirsty complicity in the genocide to date. It could have ended two years ago if Biden wanted it to. It could have ended on Trump's first day in office if he pulled support for Israel. They're all directly responsible for tens of thousands of civilian deaths. Not to mention Trump's ghastly and sinister 'Gaza riviera' plans and open boasting about plans for ethnic cleansing. Only a first step in a peace agreement has been reached - the difficult and long-term questions remains completely unaddressed.

    TBH, a Nobel Peace Prize based on a ceasefire announced 48 hours prior to the announcement seems impossible anyway. But a Peace Prize based on a fresh, untested ceasefire in a notoriously difficult conflict would be farcically premature. And even if in a year things have turned out as well or better than any of us could hope, then Trump being awarded a peace prize would still be a pretty hard pill to swallow given the very ugly, amoral things he's said and done about Gaza along the way.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,438 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    In fairness, the roots of this problem with regards to the US are a heck of a lot deeper than Biden. You are correct but there'd have been uproar across the US political establishment which is why Biden did what he did and ultimately failed.

    We're talking about a man who struggles to assemble a sentence, much less speak coherently for a single minute. The only way something like this would work was if it was led from the top by a disciplined, relentless leader with the courage of their convictions. Instead, we have this decomposing monster who fawns over child molesters and tyrants.

    A good example is the GFA. The Clinton administration made it top priority, took it within the White House and worked with all the parties involved.

    That's no going to happen here. At best, and I mean the very best case scenario, is a sticking plaster to be peeled off at Netanyahu's convenience.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭ilkhanid




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,554 ✭✭✭arctictree


    Well it will be interesting anyway who gets awarded it. A lot of eyes will be on this like never before.

    I wonder if a reporter will ask Trump if he will invite the winner to the WH?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,610 ✭✭✭Economics101


    If Trump is awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, the prize will be totally discredited in the eyes of the world for a long time to come. I can't see the Norwegians shooting themselves in the foot like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,946 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    very true - they know he is a spoofer.

    Convicted felon and possible Pedophile and currently bringing his country towards civil war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    The nobel prize is awarded to those who have done 'the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses'.

    I'm not sure we can say that Trump has done a lot for the fraternity between nations by leaving the World Health Organisation, abandoning it's commitments in the Paris Agreement on climate and the environment, devastating international trade with his bonkers tariffs, undermining and attacking the international court of justice, international criminal court, and the United Nations, 'renaming' the Gulf of Mexico, and threatening to annex allies such as Greenland and Canada.

    Then there is the extra judicial attacks on Venezuelan boats, sending the army and national guard around the US to intimidate and undermine political opponents, pardoning insurrectionists, and declaring he 'hates his opponents'.

    Much of the 'Peace deals' he claims to have achieved are misrepresentations or fabrications:

    • He has abjectly failed on Ukraine/ Russia.
    • Rwanda/ DRC conflict is ongoing
    • Egypt/ Ethiopia is not an actual war, but a dispute he has not resolved
    • There was no actual war in Serbia/ Kosovo
    • He has enabled the belligerent Israeli aggression against virtually all their neighbours. Claiming to have resolved Israel/ Iran is rich as that 'war' escalated through US support of the Israeli genocide of Palestine.

    He may have a claim to having 'settled' or put on ice disputes between Thailand/ Cambodia, Armenia/ Azerbaijan, but through threats.

    Trump is a threat to peace as he is a fascist who is systematically dismantling US democracy, while casually threatening those who oppose him. He is a fraud, a bully, and a cowardly bone spurs claiming, misogynistic convicted sex offender.

    If he ever gets near the noble prize, we can just **** forget about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,438 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    If he does get awarded the prize, I can see future recipients and nominees openly rejecting it. It'd debase the prize so badly as to render it almost worthless.

    I think we're putting the cart before the horse though. I can't see him getting it.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,619 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Swalwell is making some very bold assertions...

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    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    Another entrant for the home for the bewildered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,438 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Who is this?

    Happens every so often. Someone pops by to drop insipid one-liners about how great the decomposing parasite in a suit is without any kind of argument.

    I'd actually be very, very interested in reading such an argument, based on facts but it just never happens.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    Bit like Michael asking Fredo out on a boat trip…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,566 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    That would be the first time MAGA would disagree with a pedo (or a pedo protector) if it's one of their own.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭Rawr


    There would be all kinds of hell to pay if Donnie got the Prize. It might even kill the award entirely, which in the past has made some silly picks (Al Gore ffs…).

    The current Nobel Peace commitee is made up of Center to Center-Left Norwegian political figures. Few of them could likely stand the idea of Donnie, let alone giving him an excuse to visit them in person. Beyond some interesting back-room shenanigans, the award is likely going to someone else.

    I suspect the biggest challenge the commitee had this time was to pick a canditate that could be so uncontroversial that Donnie would have a hard time attacking them. I guess that's one possible positive of Donnie's attention to all of this; for a while they might not feel able to pick weird vanity awardees who have little to nothing to do with Peace-making.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Let's give it to Greta Thunberg :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,223 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Swallwell is a Californian Democrat in the US House of Representatives.
    Not sure we can take what he says at face value on this issue to be honest, although I guess old-school politicians do talk to each other 'across the divide'. But I have my doubts that 100 GOPs are going to desert anytime soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 977 ✭✭✭flanna01


    The President of peace…?

    Be great for Trumpy to be the man to provide the 20 point peace plan that ended the 'genocide'…

    Im sure the sheep of the free world will slap his back and tickle his chin for weeks to come..

    Realistically though, wasn't he the man supplying an endless stream of arms to Israel to obliterate it's neighbours..??

    Don't be fooled by the media hyperbole - It is what it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,619 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    He ran for the nomination for the Dems for president at one stage. Sat on a fair few committees too.

    Would have ranked him as one not prone to hyperbole…

    Just noting it was interesting is all

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,619 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Not to mention that he was impeached for trying to blackmail a foreign country with House appropriated funds allocated for it to defend itself against in a war in an effort to get dirt in a presidential election...

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,992 ✭✭✭✭briany


    There had better be something truly explosive in those files that is incontrovertible as evidence goes. I'm talking clear video footage of Trump engaged in sex acts with a minor or something on that level. Anything else goes in the bin of 'FAKE NEWS!' as far as his supporters would be concerned.

    Considering that his sexual deviancy is well-known, be it bragging about sexual assault to Billy Bush, or sexually assaulting E. Jean Carroll, his weird comments about his own daughter, or 'accidentally' wandering into the changing rooms at the Miss Teen USA competition when he owned it, why do we need the Epstein files to prove that he is a pervert? And we already know he was friends with Epstein, plus that creepy birthday note from him to Epstein should make anyone think that if there is a network of rich paedophiles out there, Trump was very much a part of it.

    But the other thing is that the Department of Justice are the ones in possession of those files and responsible for the release thereof. So, no matter how many congressional votes are held for their release, Pam Bondi can simply refuse, if it comes to it, and what would happen to her? Get arrested? She's the US AG and personally loyal to Trump.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,357 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    It is well established that MAGA accepts any rumour going, if a Dem wants to spread a little alarm and despondency, or even stir Rep Representatives into discussing it, go for it.



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