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Presidential Election.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,498 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Did I say that? You keep changing the argument.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,658 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Burke interrupted the event. He was also told that he could raise his question at the end of the event and he ignored it and carried on. So nope, really doesn't need to be humoured. You seem to be one of very few who is that concerned by this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,008 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    She wouldn't answer his question because he asked it outside his allocated time slot !!

    Total garbage. She should have at least addressed him in some way, or even acknowledged his presence. I thought she acted in a very unpresidential like manner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭almostover


    I suppose when the extreme right meets the extreme left the circle becomes complete. I use the word extreme in an Irish political context here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,123 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Currently trying to listen to this podcast about Jim Gavin with guy he didn't pay the rent back to!

    https://open.spotify.com/episode/1umKe6j6fQfDSUf7909hr4



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,282 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Two issues being (possibly wilfully) conflated here in recent posts

    Steen did not make a proper attempt to lobby the councils so any talk of "FG blocked her" is irrelevant. She went the Oireachtas route.

    Even though she came to the game so late, there were still plenty of opposition TDs/Senators not already declared for another candidate, but she couldn't get enough of them to agree to nominate her.

    How that's supposed to be the government's fault or FG's fault or FF's fault is a wonder.

    The notion that she would have actually got 22% of votes is entirely ridiculous. When she was actually still a potential candidate she was at 3%.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,658 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    And was told he could ask it at the end of the event. It was a Burke trying to hijack an event for their own pet topic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,791 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “Taoiseach Micheál Martin: I will speak to Jim Gavin soon - he is taking a few days out”

    Hope Jim OK- yes crappy thing to happen but no one has died; hope he gets back in the race of life again soon as he has qualities and skills of value and of course a big lesson learned



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,498 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    It absolutely is support for the idea of them being president. You can support multiple people much like you can vote for multiple people HOWEVER you can only nominate ONE person so the idea that using your ONE nomination isn't defacto support of that person is absurd and anyone trying to make this claim that nominating isn't supporting is hiding behind nonsensical prevarication.

    Nobody is entitled to a nomination much like many people seem to think Steen was, she showed up last minute to an election that's been coming for 7 years its nobodys fault but her own she didn't get nominated.

    And if you or Fintan O Toole or Maria Steen or anyone else who thinks we should have had more candidates were in anyway serious about this issue and not just annoyed at how you left this all to the last minute you would have been talking about it since before last years local elections but you didn't and arent so here we are.

    A week after the election none of you will be be talking about it and will forget about it for another 7 years when you will remember how outraged you are and annoyed that nobody has fixed this problem you've had by then 14 years to push to change but have still done nothing about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,838 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    People who ignore the guidelines for public discourse in that way are basically the equivalent of the nutter on the bus ranting about the coming of the Antichrist. Engaging with them in a 'reasonable manner' is only likely to result in a public scene, best thing to do is stare at your shoes and hope they move on.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,423 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    definitely nothing to see here, an ex landlord, shafting an ex tenant, thats now an ex presidential candidate, for the biggest political party, that is known to strongly support landlords, definitely nothing to see here, definitely!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Edit: The Ireland Thinks poll said 22% would have voted for her. Thats about Heather Humphres levels of support. 31% were undecided, and they lean Right according to the internals, though some of this is Centre Right. Its clear on the Family Care referendum, that the public was more conservative than they are on issues like same sex marriage, contraception , divorce and abortion. There is nuance. Absolute agreement with the Left or Right on everything is rare. Sometimes people can be wrong on most issues, but right on others. Somethings people can be correct on most issues, but wrong on others. Thats one of the reasons our views in referendums dont always translate into General Election results. And its one of the reasons Michael D Higgins landslide didnt translate into a Labour government in 2011 or 2016.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,046 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    That's just your opinion based on her ideologies. None of those ideologies will make her a bad president. Unless the govt allow for it she will be forced to stay silent on those matters and I feel from what I've witnessed so far that she is happy to do so



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,423 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    i wouldnt be overthinking that referendum, many votes were just an anti-government vote, and the fact, the government made an absolute balls of the whole thing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,791 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    The wording was awful. They wanted to just delete the word "mother". Now for me this is not about Catholic social teaching, but about the potential legal chaos it would cause, including possibly weakening issues like maternity leave, childrens allowance etc. Also the constitution said "woman shall not be forced by economic necessity" to work outside the home. Its true that it was somewhat quaint in using language like "her duties in the home". But deleting the whole thing risked throwing out (no pun intended) the baby with the bathwater.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Not to mention extreme left wing candidate, more critical of the UK and the West than Russia, backed by S.F., seeing nothing wrong with employing ex dissident accused with the smell of sulphur, definitely nothing to see here, definitely!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,282 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I don't think being a leading member of a secretive, obscurely funded, political lobby group which refuses to register as such with SIPO, and being a vocal advocate for taking hard-won human rights away from people makes one a "good person". Thanks all the same. And she amply demonstrated her contempt for those not aligned with her platform with that handbag, and said so.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,423 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    it ll be shame that cc looks like she ll win, i guess, but shur at least ffg are on top of critical issues such as housing!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,791 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I never said she was “a good person”- I was simply saying nominating a person does not necessarily mean you wish them to win - stop complicating what I said



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,498 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    No im just tired of the same thing every 7 years when people who don't know or understand what the role of the president is, or how they get nominated and elected, come out of the woodwork and complain how its unfair, undemocratic, unconstitutional etc etc and then when its all over disappear. Last election cycle it was the gemmaroids and freemen idiots this time its steens disciples and other spoofers who are only coming to the realisation they forgot or didn't know how nominees are elected during the local and general elections and are annoyed nobody told them.

    I, similarly to many, think the field is pathetic and wish there were more and better candidates but I also understand this current situation is unfortunately and maybe unwittingly the democratic will of the people based on last years elections. People may not have understood that this would happen when they were voting for parties but that's nobody's fault but their own. Its similar to republicans in the states regretting their trump vote whinging "this isn't what i voted for" when it absolutely is and they just weren't paying attention.

    If people want the next Presidential election to be different they should start considering that now and vote accordingly when it is time but they wont and the same idiotic whinging will happen in exactly 6 years and 11 months time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭Westernview


    The country needs change alright - a government that will deliver more houses, tackle homelessness, reduce our reliance on multinationals and reduce crime. The country is not crying out for an ultra conservative president or similar in a government role. Otherwise they would already be in power. Theres no significant appetite for reversing divorce or marriage equality referendums. So i don't know what 'fundamental change' you refer to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,195 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Again they didn't like the candidates so why should they nominate them just to satisfy someone's vanity and sudden desire to enter the Aras .

    Just a ruse to stick it to the main parties and gain publicity.

    They know the process and that they would have had to be meeting councillors and Oireachtas members long before that to garner support.

    In particular Steen , because let's face it nobody knows much about Sheridan's motives or intentions , the Iona Institute and her are deeply unpopular not just among many women but throughout society . To nominate her is to dissect oneself from the majority of the electorate who do not want any person to exert religious influence over State , particularly this office .

    There are lots of religious people in Ireland practising their faith , who have the good sense not to impose their views on a secular society and do not want to see that happen in this country ever again . She would have polled to a minority who feel disenfranchised only .

    That vote is currently being drummed up to spoil their vote by her supporters .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭scottser




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,397 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    This election is for a ceremonial, head of state role, as opposed to a law-making one. As we saw with Higgins in the last two elections, people are more willing to vote for a left-wing politician than they would in a general election.

    It's unfortunately for Humphreys that she's attached to FG who didn't perform well in the last election, have pushed through an unpopular budget and are led by a person who's not performing well in opinion polls.

    A lot of people I talk would never ordinarily vote left in a general election but are looking at Connolly as the least worst option. There are others who just want to give the government a bit of a kicking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,121 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    None of this changes the fact however that Steen ran a rushed, late and poorly-planned campaign. By any stretch, leaving yourself a couple of weeks to fumble your way onto the ballot is neither a good look nor a good strategy for achieving the position of Head of State. To then blame the system for your own lack of planning and organisation is an even worse look.

    There is no point talking about hate speech or imposed political consensus. These are off topic and have nothing to do with the fact that Steen's failure is little more than an echo of the old adage: failing to prepare is preparing to fail.

     



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    If you believe that either Independent Ireland or Catherine Connolly are anywhere near the extremes then you've got a wee bit of research left to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,195 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    It's not . They don't appear to do a lot but it's an important stopgap to a government that might seek to legislate unconstitutionally . They can postpone signing and consult the Council of State who advise on constitutionality.

    It's small but important . In recent years the President has become more visible as a representative of the people and their needs and their wishes .

    But that is really only since Mary Robinson.

    It was a more behind the Aras door role and just for ceremonial or diplomatic functions before that .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    Again, the role of the president is largely ceremonial; the position has nothing to do with running the country, the president is not there to fix anything or change anything, nor to push an agenda or shape the country one way or another, has nothing to do with the weird culture wars.

    Maybe it's a good thing the majority have only a mild interest in politics.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,121 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    I must say I strongly disagree with this. There is absolutely nothing wrong with quietly refusing to engage with people who are not being sincere in their attempt to engage with you. The Burkes reap what they sow — time and time again they have demonstrated that they have no interest in discussion, debate or sincere engagement with anyone who isn't inside their bubble. They just want to shout at you, harangue you and harass you. There is no discussion to be had with them, and there is nothing to be achieved from discussing anything with them. That is the image they have projected, that is the bed they have made for themselves — and they will have to lie in it.

    I do not expect our President or would-be President to dignify the approach taken by the Burkes any more so than I would have expected Pope John Paul II to have a polite chat with Ian Paisley while he shouted down the chamber at him.



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