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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,368 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Looking at SCOTUS turning down Maxwell's request for a hearing into the legality of her trial and conviction on the basis of the deal done between Epstein and the prosecutor at his trial that no one else would be prosecuted, I'm left wondering if the turning down of her request was not for the obvious reason but a secondary reason: the avoidance of the Epstein prosecutor and now Trump Labour Secretary Alex Acosta being called to testify at a hearing or new court case by Maxwells lawyer. Shut off the risk of something new coming out about partners to the Epstein/Maxwell friendship if Acosta was brought to the stand. It might sound like conspiracy theory but there are a lot of ongoing "friendships" mixed up with the Epstein parties business.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,735 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Well, I rather hope he doesn't.

    Why would it have any bearing on my being concerned over if something he does is lawful? The oath of office doesn't provide any wriggle room for approval on anything other than legal grounds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,858 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Ah so it's crime now, not Antifa. We have another one, folks.

    Where is your evidence that this is all from Antifa…let's see it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,582 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    If there's one single thing that illustrates the absolute shitheap that MAGA is, from its leader down to its supporters, it's this whole Epstein thing. To think that MAGA spent all that time banging on about Epstein, the Epstein list, pedo island and now we're down to Trump talking about pardoning Ghislaine Maxwell.

    Lies. All lies.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again now, everything that the right wing says is a lie.

    Everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,858 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    If Trump genuinely thinks he is healthier and in better shape than Obama, he is sicker than we think.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,628 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    "Well, I rather hope he doesn't"

    That's your take???

    I'd say if I put a vote up her with multiple options and "it would be outrageous, disgusting and it should end his presidency" was one choice, I'd say that would win by a long margin, but you stick with "hmmm - I hope not".

    And as to your question of "Why would it have any bearing?" That's the problem. He could be a child rapist himself and once he makes a direct order, you'll stand there and take it - just because it is legal.

    Is there anything he could do that would make you refuse to take an order from him, other than possibly an illegal order? There is no character flaw, words he might utter or deed he might have done to make you exercise your own discretion and say "f**k that guy, he's not worthy of the position and I refuse to play a part in his fascist,.racist, and malignant plan to destroy the America that I hold dear"?

    Post edited by everlast75 on

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,953 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    It just that MAGA and the Trump cultists don't view child trafficing or child abuse as a crime.

    I mean look at all the high ranking MAGA's that have been convicted of it. Thats why I find Trumps reluctance to say he attended the island so weird.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,554 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    My wife is American so I've watched some of his stuff out of curiosity. It's not exactly hard-hitting, a lot is just US vs UK cultural differences or how they do things differently.

    https://www.youtube.com/evan/videos



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,368 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I'd be more inclined to say that Trump may have brought civil war in the U.S a day closer with his bringing federalized N/G Troops from one state into other states in total disregard to the fact that there is no requirement to do so. For crime you bring in law enforcement officers, not people trained in the art of warfare, amongst other arts. Divide and conquer…

    AFAIK, the individual states have N/G units of their own which can be federalized for use in their own states when there is a need for basic law enforcement and the local law enforcement agencies have been run into the ground from extended use in riotous situations.

    BTW, has anyone heard/listened to Trump over the past 24 hours? On RTE's 10AM to 12 midday programme, the host said Trump has talked about invoking the Insurrection Act. At a guess, I suppose it might be a reaction to the Judges ruling out (temporarily) the movement of federalized N/G units/troops from one state into another which stymied his plans until a fuller court hearings could be held by the judges.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,568 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    You also have to be quite naive to believe that soldiers (be it National Guard or professional soldiers) are suited for normal policing tasks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    I get what you're saying but that's not how it works in the military. A superior can be a repugnant POS like Trump but a legal order is a legal order. Personal morals and ethics are not a factor. The military, all militaries are built that way.

    Personally I'd never work for someone like Trump. If I found out my boss did half the things he has done, I'd resign. But I'm not a military man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,228 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Personally I'd never work for someone like Trump. If I found out my boss did half the things he has done, I'd resign.

    You've hit the nail on the head there.

    The significant and visible fall in values and standards in public life in the US is astonishing.

    I noticed this to an extent in the UK under Boris too.

    It's increasingly rare now for politicians to resign for involvement in a scandal, poor behavior, or poor performance.

    Enabled by those on top, and their culture wars. Trump especially has reformed the US in his (disgusting, festering carbuncle of an) image, and as he ignores decency/ the law, so to do those who follow him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,449 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I'm not sure there's been much of a fall. There have always been politicians who despite women's rights to choose while working hard to make sure that school shootings remain a regular occurrence. All that's really changed is that Trump proved that the facade of decency is completely unnecessary. Turns out that vast amounts of people are happy to openly support a potential rapist paedophile who spouts Nazi rhetoric.

    As for the UK, I wouldn't completely agree. Johnson was brought down because he lost the public over his various scandals. There aren't tens of millions of Brits openly worshipping him. That said, there's definitely been a toxification and infantilisation process happening with the Conservative party:

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    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    Knowing Trump he will have cocked his leg over GMax plenty, its what he used to do, mess about with other peope's relationships/marriages and wanting to have himself thought of some kind of super stud, like Galileo (the horse).

    The fact GMax was his best mate's GF would have spurred him on more, he only figured her out when he fell out with Epstein and realised he was also a mark for their blackmail schemes, reckon GMax has files/vids not yet in FBI hands and Trump knows it, hence Pardon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,628 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Miller saying that the President should not bow to court rulings, saying that he has "Plenary" power, and Trump saying that he would invoke the Insurrection Act.. that time for military folk to take a stand is fast approaching.

    Individual resignations won't cut it. We need a Saturday Night Massacre, army style, of high ranking generals, with one clear statement.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭aero2k


    One thing I always admired about UK politicians compared to our lot was the resignation culture. IIRC David Blunkett resigned not because he was caught having an affair, but because he was caught using public funds to pay for a train ticket (£60?) for his mistress. Meanwhile we had several tax evaders in the Dáil. I also like the fact that public figures like Royals couldn't use the "do you not know who I am" excuse when caught speeding. I doubt Lester Pigott would have served jail time had he committed the tax fraud in Ireland.

    But you're right, standards of behaviour have deteriorated markedly at a time when it is much easier to be caught behaving badly.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,735 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    No.

    There's a bit more to it than that. I don't work for Trump (or Abbott), I work for the US and the State of Texas. I didn't join because of Trump, I'm not leaving because of Trump. My service to the state long predates his political ambitions, and assuming my leg holds up (Yay arthritis and getting old in general), will continue after he departs office.

    Imagine multiple members of the executive branch decided that taking instruction from Trump and his administration was unacceptable and they left. FBI Agents who won't work for Patel. Troops who won't work for Trump (Even if they could, terms of enlistment are fixed, and commissions take time to process resignations). Doctors who won't work for RFK. Who would investigate crimes? Who would investigate crimes in February 2029? We live in a time of significant international tension and re-armament, who would fight if people left the Army? Who is going to be on staff if there's a new pandemic? Unlike the private sector where if you don't like your boss you can go to another company, there aren't many alternatives in the government space.

    Put simply, the country is 'bigger' than Trump and I, for one, am not going to cut off its nose to spite its face.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Sorry I didn't mean to imply that you worked for Trump. I was looking at it from a civilian perspective. I understand that the military is a different animal. Had plenty of friends and family who served and it's safe to say not one of them signed up due to who was the president or prime minister.

    The closest thing I could think of in civilian life would be if I was involved in coaching or playing a sport and it turned out the president of the organisation was a Trump like person. Would I walk away from the sport? Probably not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    At least you would have a choice, a Trumplike character would have you out for disloyalty or similar invention.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭Glencarraig


    Release Maga Mike Johnson's Grindr files !!!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,256 ✭✭✭Field east


    there is one VERY BIG difference between considering leaving a public service position in the US and in , for example, Ireland . If Trump or any of his supporters ‘found out’ that you have resigned or ‘retired’ because you no longer wanted to have Trump or people working under Trump as your boss because of his ‘behaviour’ you would be , potentially ‘ be a marked man . So , no matter where you went to get a job , you have no guarantee that you would not be ‘followed’ . I do not think that kind of situation would occur in Ireland or for that matter in any EU country



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,795 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Standards in public life are a reflection of standards across the board with private citizens.

    Both the UK and the US have benefited from historic economic exploitatation of the outside world.

    I attach no particular blame.They played the cards they had and were best placed ,most adept and most "fortunate" at this game everyone is at.

    Tables are turned now and the veneer of morality has turned to the rictus of self interest.

    True character comes through.We want to be all right Jack and will do the necessary to hold onto what we have gained by fair means or foul.

    They hate the dictates of climate change because it forces them to look at the global picture and the public interest.

    Deny ,deny deny.(for as long as they can)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,606 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Jesus, it's not that bad...yet.. but really it's not that bad, there are millions of people gainfully employed openly critical of the administration on the daily. He isn't all powerful, many entire organizations are against him but most will try to be a political as is the best option always.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,123 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,368 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Having seen how Trump's Admin team seem to be clearly intent on contemptuous behaviour towards the U.S. with the intent of splitting the country apart, toss in what seems to be the likely intent of a majority of SCOTUS bench to issue a ruling that agrees with Trump's opinion that a state's ban on the use of Electro Compulsive Therapy on pre-teens is wrong because one person claims that the ban is harming her 1st amendment rights, then toss in Trumps deliberate refusal to obey the orders of the Federal Courts on the deployment of National Guard units and vocal threat to instigate use of the Insurrection Act against judges in line with his AG's opinion, I'd say to sensible U.S citizens, it may be time to cross over the northern border into Canada or maybe even over the Mexican border.

    The other option open to the U.S citizens is plain, do exactly what Trump told his Peaceful Protest people to do in Washington on 06 Jan 2021. He knows the constitution rights apply to all the people and not just those he favours. If you don't stand up for your rights, Trump will take them away from you.

    Trump is clearly intent on not allowing the individual states decide for themselves what passes for legal actions and laws inside their borders, unless he approves of it, despite his supposed anti deep-state love of states rights.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,121 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Imagine multiple members of the executive branch decided that taking instruction from Trump and his administration was unacceptable and they left. FBI Agents who won't work for Patel. Troops who won't work for Trump (Even if they could, terms of enlistment are fixed, and commissions take time to process resignations). Doctors who won't work for RFK. Who would investigate crimes? Who would investigate crimes in February 2029? We live in a time of significant international tension and re-armament, who would fight if people left the Army? Who is going to be on staff if there's a new pandemic? Unlike the private sector where if you don't like your boss you can go to another company, there aren't many alternatives in the government space.

    "Who would gas the jews?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,121 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Miller accidentally says the quiet part out loud and shuts down.

    Edit: seems Steven has been busy trying to scrub videos from YouTube.

    Post edited by AbusesToilets on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,858 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Seeing his reaction to AOC mocking his height was gold.

    He is a very angry, little man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,963 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,858 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Even his own family described him as dangerous…



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