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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,997 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    I read that he said "He comepletely understood the decision", that was it.

    Just my €0.02 on this.

    It's been an absolutely appalling election campaign, like dismal.

    Between FFG actively blocking independent candidates and absolutely appalling choices of candidates with the exception of Catherine Connolly. All this election has done it drive the wedge between the ordinary Joe and the political class even deeper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,793 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Listening to Kelleher on MI, they're trying to push him on the leadership issue. I'd feel from the undertones of his answers that , if not sinking, MM is at least badly damaged. Jack Chambers getting it too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,390 ✭✭✭jmcc


    A dish best served cold? Watch for comments from Barry Cowen.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,108 ✭✭✭mykrodot


    he's clearly fuming and disgusted though, he did well in that interview.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 535 ✭✭✭myfreespirit


    Billy Kellegher on RTÉ radio 1 just now, putting the knife into Micheál Martin and the way in which FF selected a candidate for president.

    Extraordinary how Micheál got it so wrong - it could mark his demise as FF leader in the short term.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,549 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


     All this election has done it drive the wedge between the ordinary Joe and the political class even deeper.

    A bit over blown imo.

    Not great for politics but I think it has more to do with MM's dictatorial style of leadership than anything else. It was his way or the highway.
    He might be on that highway himself…or certainly should be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,390 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Kelleher would have been a much better candidate. FF is probably going to force Martin to name a resignation date. It would be difficult to get rid of him immediately and there will be a fight over his replacement. Chambers might have been seen as the obvious choice. Now O'Callaghan and O'Brien might be in the running. O'Callaghan would be the better choice.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,108 ✭✭✭mykrodot


    the smugness! A huge cohort of people in this country have NOBODY to vote for, NOBODY that aligns with their beliefs, is that so hard to believe? We are not all living in your bubble. How can these 2 candidates represent everybody in the country and if they do surely that's a terrible reflection on this country, that there is no divergence, no debate, no alternative.

    This is meant to be a democratic country yet we are dictated to more and more by our Government about what we can think and who we can and cannot vote for (or who cannot even get on the ballot). Is shameful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,582 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    In fairness it’s been that way since Day 1.

    The former politicians who decided not to put their name forward must be patting themselves on their back that they made the right decision - no matter how small the “issue” from the past, it’s obvious it will come out at some point in the election - if you haven’t done everything by the book then someone out there still has a grudge against you-we know that-

    it goes right back to Brian Lenihan days- nothing has changed and in fact it’s getting increasingly more difficult now we have social media.

    The budget and lack of a “giveaway” will greatly influence many voters - they may not vote CC- but they won’t vote HH either.

    CC will walk this election there’s no doubt



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,757 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,390 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Long memories in FF. And Martin only got to be leader by stabbing the hapless Brian Cowen in the back. The thing about Gavin dropping out is the second order effects. This could cause a major realignment in FF beyond the candidate mess.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,840 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Crinklewood




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,582 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    A fragmented centre right is a gift to the left and SF in particular - FF are going to feel this at the next election and it looks more and more likely that SF are approaching stepping into government in the next few years. It’s a royal cock up that will have impact way beyond a presidential election or even the leadership of FF.

    Martin will be gone- that’s a definite- but the infighting and disorganisation will continue- this event is massive



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,202 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    "Only got in because he stabbed the hapless Brian Cowen in the back "?

    Either you have a short memory or you are a kid . Brian Cowen was the worst leader of FF and that's saying something . He was pushed by more than MM and the country was pretty happy about it . They would never have gotten their voter base back otherwise .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,793 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Did Chambers just throw Gavin under the bus there?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,832 ✭✭✭almostover


    You're claiming the same nonsense over in the CA forum and I addressed your point there.

    If Maria Steen and Gareth Sheridan wanted to be on the ballot they would have been canvassing with months if not years before the nomination process. Both were opportunists that only went for it once Máiréad McGuinness pulled out due to health issues.

    If you want Steen on the next presidental election ballot I'd suggest you join Aontu and try to get more councillors and TD's who represent that party elected. Or conservative independent candidates. The political position of Steen is represented in our councils and Dáil, but it has very little support as evidenced by her failure to secure the required nominations to get on the ballot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,162 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Jack Chambers on Morning Ireland RTE Radio 1 now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,540 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Gavin is gonna be collateral damage with all of the infighting that has kicked off within FF today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,162 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Will Steen stay in national politics? She had a groundswell of support. I disagree with her on cultural issues but with 22% of votes in the poll yesterday had she run, that could be a formidable political bloc if translated into seats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,390 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Yep. The second order effects of these screw-ups are always more devastating than the initial screw-up. Worst case is a potential GE in late 2025/early 2026. Under Martin, FF had become largely indistinguishable from FG and that loss of identity is a problem for FF.

    Regards…jmcc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,622 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    The Irish Independent will be delighted to have driven Jim Gavin out of the presidential election … they have been attacking him over drones & this rent story non stop …..full steam ahead now for the Irish independent to attack Connolly for the next couple of weeks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 32,248 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,534 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    If FF have a shortfall FG will pick up the slack.

    Have some people not noticed they merged a few years ago to stop the SF boogeymen taking their power?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭spakman


    Yep, he's in survival mode. feed Gavin to the sharks to protect himself and his leader



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,622 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    Banty McEnaney could stand , after getting 200 million off the government for housing refugees he has buckets of money to run a campaign. The Healy Raes are also making millions from refugees and could support him .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,549 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Yep, it's all Jim's fault, we was duped.

    Chambers would wanna watch his back. Martin will throw him to the wolves if he can.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,390 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Brian Cowen was the patsy for Bertie Ahern. Even Brian Lenihan Jnr thought he could replace him though he was terminally ill. Martin effectively knifed Brian Cowen in the back to take the leadership. It was FF politics and if you don't understand it and how grudges are held, then you don't understand much about Irish politics.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Site Banned Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    One sentence out of a career.

    He's 1,000 times more charismatic than Gavin. If a little over fond of hurling.

    Not paying back that tenant, and his explanation yesterday has really shown up Gavin's character.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,390 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Regards…jmcc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,582 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “Under Martin, FF had become largely indistinguishable from FG and that loss of identity is a problem for FF.”

    The two parties have essentially existed for the last decade to keep SF out of power- that’s not a long term strategy for political survival and we can see the growth in the far left and indeed the far right ever since.

    There’s also no “good news” out there- we’re slowly losing our corporate cash cows of billions in taxes- our housing crisis and homeless crisis has dominated politics and the economy and it’s not going to end - meanwhile AI and technology will likely take more jobs than it will provide for.
    I can feel a pretty big recession coming very soon and I can also see SF in power next election albeit a rainbow coalition -too many people are dissatisfied - and it’s not just the poor or the unemployed or the uneducated - it’s the traditional FF voters who are struggling also - Martin should exit now and get some EU job because things are going to get a lot more uncomfortable in Irish politics over the next year



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