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Northern Ireland 2125?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,160 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    If Russia were to invade here, it would not be because of anything to do with us. It would be for the same reason they overfly our airspace - to troll GB and the US and NATO.

    NATO, GB and the US would not be able to resist acting in the hugely unlikely event of that happening.

    Being in or out of NATO would make zero difference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,869 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    To me it's not impossible to think that some high ranking general wanting to impress Putin, to invade Ireland and present it to him. The winter war in Finland had a similar reasoning.

    I am expecting things to differ gravely on the matter of NATO membership what an United Ireland is concerned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,160 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    To me it's not impossible to think that some high ranking general wanting to impress Putin,

    Oh come on, that's just fantasy stuff TBH.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,160 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    This is classic ‘ourselves alone’. This is completely alien to Northern Ireland.
    francies ‘were alright, so **** the rest of you’ is exectly what the roi government done during both wars (and the ni troubles).
    thankfully 1,000s of good people from roi stood up and faced the nazis. I could never be part of a ui that said **** the poles, let Russia take them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    you have been taken in by the republican propoganda. 100% of unionists in Westminster, Stormont and every single local council 100% oppose the imposition of Irish language where it is not wanted - I guess the same as 100% of nationalist representatives oppose any attempt to impose loyalist marches where they are not wanted.
    we need to sit down and agree both or none. It’s really that easy if you believe in equality



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,160 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nobody will stop you if you want to join an army and fight whoever.

    We see ourselves as peacekeeper and neutral. That is offered to conflict zones.
    That has a value.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    Yes indeed - some don’t get this. Northern Ireland is so so steeped in military, supporting peace through strength etc.

    haven’t checked this but was always told that NI had no conscription, but yet had the highest number of recruits per capita in world war of any nation on these islands - all volunteers. To this day it is difficult to find anyone in ni who does not have, at the very least, a cousin or uncle serving. It runs through our dna. Every community event has some acknowledgment to the forces, and most events are dominated by remembrance and support.
    the idea of becoming a yellow belly nation would be unthinkable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    that is a truly disgraceful position. I hope that everyone that shares a nation with francie is rightly embarrassed. Thank god we are not part of such a cowardly position. It does though for with SF currently and historically. Let’s be neutral and opposed to violence, but let’s assassinate Jean mcconville and murder Protestants in their place of worship



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,160 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    As opposed to ‘fighting for democracy while back home our wee one party statelet has it’s boot on the necks of so called fellow citizens’?

    Aye, right!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    You are probably blocked from full article so here it - my not format very well:

    Loyalist terror gangs in sinister threat to burn Belfast council facilities over Irish language proposals

    Warning from UVF and UDA comes after City Hall agrees to dual signage at facilities and bilingual logos on uniforms

    DUP leader Gavin Robinson

    DUP leader Gavin Robinson

    UVF gunmen in Belfast

    UVF gunmen in Belfast

    TUV deputy leader Ron McDowell

    TUV deputy leader Ron McDowell

    DUP leader Gavin Robinson

    DUP leader Gavin Robinson

    UVF gunmen in Belfast

    UVF gunmen in Belfast

    Ciaran BarnesToday at 07:00

    Loyalist paramilitaries are planning an arson campaign to prevent Irish language signage from being displayed on Belfast City Council buildings and vehicles.

    In a briefing to Sunday Life yesterday, representatives of both the UVF and UDA warned of future violence, saying: “Loyalists will embark on a campaign of burning any council vans or centres displaying Irish language signage in order to make the Belfast City Council policy unworkable.”

    The sinister threats come after a majority of councillors in City Hall endorsed a new draft Irish language policy that contains pledges to adopt dual signage at its facilities and bilingual logos.

    Unionist councillors have objected to the plan, as have loyalist paramilitaries, with the latter threatening a campaign of violence to make it “unworkable”.

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    Sunday Life understands that several council depots in unionist areas of Belfast where vehicles are stored will be targeted if Irish signage appears on the premises.

    “They will be burned to the ground,” said a UVF source. “This isn’t something anyone in the loyalist community wants to see happen, but it will happen if the Irish language is forced upon us.

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    “Many of the staff in these facilities are from a unionist background and they are also opposed to wearing uniforms or working in buildings with Irish language signs.”

    UVF and UDA leaders say at the moment there is no plan to target leisure centres as they are seen as key community facilities, however, they have warned that could change.

    “The council and the PSNI should not underestimate how real this threat is,” said a UDA source. ​

    “It’ll be down to councillors now to work out how best to deal with this and reach a compromise.”

    The PSNI is also understood to be aware of the UVF and UDA threats and has been briefed about possible violence.

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    Unionist councillors have been vocal in their opposition to the council’s new draft Irish language policy and will use a ‘call-in’ in a bid to have it reversed.

    This is a rarely used method to have decisions reviewed.

    TUV councillor and party deputy leader Ron McDowell said the Irish language is being “weaponised, politicised and forced on communities that don’t want it”.

    He added: “There are huge areas of the city that don’t have an Irish population, don’t identify as Irish and why should we therefore have Irish thrust upon us?”

    TUV deputy leader Ron McDowell

    TUV deputy leader Ron McDowell

    DUP leader and former Belfast Lord Mayor Gavin Robinson said: “If this is a shared city, we don’t stand in the way of anybody trying to engage their interest to speak Irish, but nor do we want it foisted upon the vast majority who have no interest or knowledge.”

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    Starmer “absolutely shocked” by attack in Manchester

    The Irish language proposals have the support of Sinn Fein, Alliance, the SDLP and the Green Party, whose councillors form a majority in the City Hall.

    Sinn Fein councillor Natasha Brennan said the policy was “a historic moment for the city in terms of equality for the indigenous language within the city”.

    DUP leader Gavin Robinson

    DUP leader Gavin Robinson

    She added that it followed best practice guidelines set out in the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages.

    Alliance’s Michael Long also gave the proposals his seal of approval, saying it would cost ratepayers “not a penny more” to implement the policy.

    Several councils throughout Northern Ireland already adopt dual language signage and logos on their uniforms, vehicles and facilities.

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    These include Derry City and Strabane Council, Fermanagh and Omagh District Council, and Newry, Mourne and Down District Council.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,160 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I read it. @downcow



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    I assumed this was a likely route - although the Sunday Lies has a habit of talking nonsense- especially when it says ‘the Sunday Lies understands….’

    It is so silly of Council as this type of attack is so easy - endless opportunities because of the nature of council services eg they only need to drop a crude incendiary device into a wheelie bin, anywhere in Belfast, with a timer and that is a £200,000 bin lorry gone - so they don’t even need to upset unionist areas - an incendiary in a wheelie bin in west Belfast means it will be the falls road blocked all day with a burning bin lorry

    Respect is the way forward

    We still have plenty of terrorists on both sides, who are happy to terrorise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    did you click the first link at the bottom of it, where the rublicans are at it again - ironically attacking something they regard as unionist culture that they think shouldn’t be displayed in their area - you really couldn’t make it up!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,160 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Vandals are slightly different to two paramilitary groups of The LCC whom Unionist politicians want at the table and meet regularly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    of course I am opposed to terrorism, but this might save us all a lot of money in the long run.
    it might demonstrate to southerners how expensive it could be to drag 100,000s unionists into a ui

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,160 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    Jesus, that's a vile take Downcow. Claim you're opposed to it all you want, but this is gleefully cheering on the threat terrorism.

    If someone said the same of something the Provos did during the bad days, you'd be clutching your pearls something shocking.

    Apparently I have a lot more faith in the vast majority of your community than you; I don't believe for a second that hundreds of thousands would oppose a fair vote on any decision in this manner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    I think the first minister said there was no alternative to sectarian murders!

    I am saying there is an alternative to burning bin lorries (note no one harmed) but I am saying that an outcome of a reaction to the imposition of Irish language may lead some in the south to say that if there was ever a majority voting for a ui, that it might be sensible to learn from this (and the years before gfa) and decide that it would be a sensible compromise to ensure that ui included the same devolution for OWC that the ‘Brits’ bestowed upon it. Seems fair and sensible- do you not think?
    remember this is a threat to burn bin lorries, not Protestants out for dinner in La Mon Hotel



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,160 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Disgraceful.

    Hopefully this blatant violence fantasy of you and still active paramilitaries will be addressed. This is not the only threatening of violence recently because of democratic decisions suprematists can’t cope with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    B*llocks, Downcow. You were rubbing your grubby little mitts at the idea of violence. At least have the balls to own your bullsh*t. If you're feeling positive about threats to burn down bin lorries because they have dual language livery, you have absolutely no moral highground over those who claimed there was no alternative. Your whataboutery doesn't diminish what you're doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    cool your jets guys.
    it was francie raised it. I imagine most of us on here were aware of it, but it was francie that posted it.
    Belfast city council have operated disgracefully in a supremacist manner for a decade. They’ve removed the flag of the country and all attempting to put Irish in areas that strongly oppose it - so I have more important things to worry about that their bin lorries.
    they are going to attempt to force unionist staff to have Irish on their lapels. I have zero problem with them doing this in areas that want it. Why do they get off on forcing ordinary working people into this position.
    this is actually really important for the moderate unionists to see how supremacist nationalist intend being. It actually reminds me of the stories my dad told me of his teenage years in the South.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,160 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You are gonna blame me for you salivating at the prospect of still active paramilitaries engaging in violence. Disgraceful



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    Absolute sh*te. Belfast council voted to fly the Union Flag in line with British guidance. Are the UK government in the RA now too?

    You were absolutely getting yourself all excited about the idea of Loyalist Paramilitaries burning bin lorries because they had dual language livery. 'Our' wee country indeed.

    You can take your head out of your hoop with the, 'behaved disgracefully' pity act and all given the history of Unionist supremacy across the history of NI. It takes some brass neck to play the victim when the great injustice you're raving about is.....the sign on the end of your road has the native language on it in line with the other parts of the UK that have a minority native language.

    It's all well and good being as British as Finchley until it comes to the bits you don't like, right? The DUP approach laid bare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,686 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Plenty of republicans would have sailvated at the thought of using violence had there been border checks beterrn N.I. and the republic after Brexit.

    Even Varadker told the EU27 leaders there would be plenty more Irish Republican bombs, (assembled in the Republic of course, as in the past ) directed against British customs posts / border security if there were border checks after Brexit.

    Some democrat was Varadker to blackmail another country to give in to the threat of terrorists. His government has no problem charging higher vrt ( on vehicles), higher vat rates, higher excise duties, vat on housing ( none in N.I./ UK etc) just to screw the consumer south of the border when it wants to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,160 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Fairly typical you would avoid the central issue.

    Downcow letting the mask slip again is bad enough, but the issue here is Unionists parties engaging with still active paramilitaries groups and wanting them included.
    No onus is placed on them to engage in exclusively peaceful means.
    Varadkar rightly warned of dissident violence as a result of a hard border but where did the threats of violence because of a border actually come from?

    These guys and gals - the UVF and UDA.

    Now they are issuing threats again.

    From Carson through Paisley to the modern TUV DUP, they like to either start paramilitary groups or to keep them close to the fold.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,160 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Unionist politicians have to calm down the war talk before this gets out of hand. They could start by condemning unelected agitators online and stop being directed by them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,686 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Did Varakner condemn the people who threatened to blow up security posts along the border, or did he argue / tell everyone to put pressure on the British not to have customs posts around the complete UK after Brexit?

    Brest way to calm things down is for Belfast city council to stop operating disgracefully in a supremacist manner - as DC said they’ve removed the flag of the country and are attempting to put Irish in areas that strongly oppose it. 



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,160 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    So democratically elected councillors enacting democratically arrived at decisions should give into threats of violence?



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