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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,377 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Sarah McInerney could do it. Don't think that Miriam O'Callaghan or Aine Lawlor have the ability. Let's see if RTE can be objective rather than partisan.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭BQQ


    if JG has any hope of winning he needs to finish the first round ahead of HH

    if he retains the competitiveness he had as Dublin manager we might see him train his guns on heather rather than continuing a strategy that isn’t working



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,377 ✭✭✭jmcc


    If Gavin and Humphreys start tearing each other apart, that reduces the number of possible transfers. They have to focus on Connolly.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Site Banned Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    I was pretty neutral going into the VM debate. But CC swung my vote. She was streets ahead of Gavin and HH.

    She has an honesty, which sometimes gets her in trouble, that I haven't seen in a politician in a long time.

    The other 2 candidates are over schooled. Gavin's disingenuous answer on the hijacking of our flag. Humphreys appearing as if she felt she only had to turn up and say a few nice platitudes. People see through that.

    A few posters on here were sure if Steen got on the ballot she'd come last. More bolloxology. There are very few public figures who couldn't beat Jim Gavin, he's that bad.

    Martin will suffer consequences for that choice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    While Gavin was indeed a fairly terrible choice, I'm not sure they had a whole lot of other options. Kelliher would have fairly awful also, though in a different way.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,629 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    yeah Kelleher was never going to be humiliated the way it looks like gavin might he but I don’t think he was ever likely to finish ahead of a United left candidate or an fg candidate with significant appeal beyond party lines…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,319 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Gavin does have an impressive cv, but you do wonder who headhunted him, we know the rumors which don't need to be repeated here, his lack of charisma is known by those who met him and I wonder if the story about him as a landlord would have came out if truly looked at? Kelleher is a bit meh, but he would have done fine IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,218 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Jim 25-1 PP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    US politics shows the risks in electing someone based only on charisma., while overlooking the warning signs.

    CC is charismatic. But I am very concerned at the Ursula Ní Shonnain appointment. James Lawless TD has asked who CC would appoint to the Council of State, and whether CC would accept Garda vetting or over rule it.

    CC should promise not to appoint people with serious criminal convictions, or opponents of the GFA to the Council of State.

    For a parallel. In the US, many questionable people, some with ties to Russia, entered the administration, and the normal FBI vetting was waived in many cases. They passed some of it to the Pentagon, which is controlled by Pete Hegseth, a man who is himself the subject of controversial accusations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,377 ✭✭✭jmcc


    FF and Martin will probably be hoping for better performances and easy questions from the debate later today and the Primetime debate.

    Post edited by jmcc on

    Regards…jmcc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,377 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The US presidency is different to the Irish presidency. It typically results in a change of government. The Irish presidency does not. You missed the important mood change. Lawless is asking questions about what Connolly would do as president. That is a massive shift from when Connolly was a no-hoper candidate. This is a government TD thinking of Connolly as president. It is almost an acceptance of the possibility that Connolly could win.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,377 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Sindo site has updated: https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/poll-catherine-connolly-leads-in-race-for-presidency-as-support-for-jim-gavin-drops/a1283426616.html

    This subhead should, if correct, worry FF:

    "Data suggests transfers from Fianna Fáil candidate would seal her victory"

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Yes but the poll also says 31% are undecided, and that they lean quite heavily to the Right, though some are Centre Right. Maybe not natural Connolly voters?

    And that 22% of voters would have voted for Maria Steen.

    47% in the poll say Maria Steen should have been allowed on the ballot.

    Interesting results on what people are looking for in a President:

    - 68% say they should b'é able the speak Irish.

    - 54% day the most important aspect is being an effective public speaker, while 36% say it's experience.

    But:

    - 71% say a President should not be allowed hire someone with serious criminal convictions.

    - only about 4-6% say Gaza or neutrality is the most Important issue.

    Also I don't know if it's the same poll, but SF is polling 21% in the poll. Simon Harris' approval rating has risen to 39%, while Mary Lou McDonald is ón 34%. Just reported now. I'll need to read the newspaper to see where the other party's are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,117 ✭✭✭gifted


    Think most people realise that's definitely going to happen...RTE tend to not bite the hand that feeds them......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,783 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Interesting poll. Connolly will have to be taken seriously now. The undecideds factor is high, but could account for the lack of interest in the race so far. I' cant see Gavin picking up from this, his race is over I reckon. Its a frosty Sunday bit of reading for HH and FF and FG.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,377 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The electorate, based on the poll results, may be expecting this.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,740 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,740 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    RTE were very soft on FFG during the general election. Mary Lou was nearly outside the studio for the debates and the 2 FFG frauds were able to dominate the presenter in the middle. Even Ivan Yates admitted the Bailout money and soft actions after all the RTE spending reports were paying dividends to FFG. RTE never probed the housing figures either which turned out to be pure lies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,377 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Any thoughts on this: "Data suggests transfers from Fianna Fáil candidate would seal her victory"? Transfers from Gavin to Connolly may indicate that there is an FF vote that is distinct from the pro-FG Martin element. Would they vote for Gavin #1 and then transfer to Connolly? Could Martin end up being the lame duck leader rather than Harris?

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,852 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    A leopard doesn’t change her spots…….I can predict trouble if MsConnolly is elected.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 965 ✭✭✭cheese sandwich




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,783 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    The fact that Martin is the most popular party leaders still is interesting when you look at the point your making, or asking me about. What I would say is there's a FF element wouldn't transfer to FG at any time. The fact that HH and hisband are from an OO background might push even more against her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,783 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Why and what trouble do you predict?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭MFPM


    The big question next is for FG - Gavin is gone, he looks like being the 2025 Gay Mitchell. FG may start to frame it as she's the only candidate to stop CC, so they'll perhaps go after CC more with the compliance of the media. The problem is that this poll shows perhaps more resistance to media framing, while present in previous elections it wasn't sufficient, this poll would suggest it has hardened which is very welcome.

    CC, whether one agrees or disagrees with her is clearly a very decent and authentic politician and that goes along way for people, so the media and FG have their work cut out. Manufactured outrage over factual statements about the US being an imperial power and parallels with German military spending in the 30s, it would seem have not landed with people.

    The budget will dominate the next week, the election may take a bit of a back seat though clearly it will feed into the election.

    Not sure I can sit through an Aine Lawler moderated debate on TWIP but as the first public outing post poll it'll be interesting to see its impact. Surely Gavin will be better, HH I suspect now that it's not the coronation she may have been expecting, she will have to be more engaged.

    CC is on course to do very well and may be the next president, she has defied the multiple media hit pieces to date and she has clearly made many people's analysis to date look very superficial not least many here who seem incapable of seeing beyond their own political bias and thinking objectively.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,377 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Those party leader ratings are just filler. The real difference between FF and FG is that there has already been a tentative leadership challenge to Martin. His lead parachute candidate, Gavin, only got 41 votes to Kelleher's 29. Harris was able to see off Kelly's challenge to Humphreys. If Connolly wins and Gavin is in third place, then Martin's position is in question and there will be a scramble for positions in a post-Martin FF. There is more at stake here for FF than the presidency.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,377 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Might be interesting to live-blog the debate as it would be a good record of the questions and answers without the usual spin from the media.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭MFPM


    You're spot on re the JG v BK issue, the vote BK got despite the front bench backing for JG was significant, there were attempts here and elsewhere to down play it. If JG does as badly as it's looking MM could be in some bother.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,873 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Well obviously transfers from Gavin would elect Connolly if he finishes 3rd. According to the poll his transfers will split 2:1 in favour of Humphreys, but if Connolly is so far ahead after 1st count it'd nearly need to be 3:1 or more going from Gavin TO Humphreys which is unrealistic.

    Apart from the fact that this indicates Gavin is finishing last, why would it worry FF?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,510 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The Russian Bot/Syria Supporter stuff is not having any traction with enough of the electorate, they are clearly not buying the scaremongering.

    Where or how they take Connolly down with a budget coming and Humphreys and Gavin clearly not able to rise to Connolly's superior intellect will be interesting. More dirt probably.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,377 ✭✭✭jmcc


    A weakened FF when the half-taoiseach changeover happens would lead to more pressure from FG for the top jobs in the reshuffle.

    Regards…jmcc



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