Israel/Palestine Thread

I understand It's not genocide because sheepysheep has lived in Israel therefore Israel can't be guilty of Genocide. It doesn't matter the preponderance of evidence amassed from various bodies, with specialised knowledge on the subject, that there is a genocide, you will continue to dismiss it . You sound exactly like defenders of other states accused of crimes against humanity; its all a conspiracy/witchunt because, you like them, are too gutless and hypocritical to admit the truth.

Good about time.

You still haven't addressed the UN report using doctored data, and lying in their report.

I wonder why.

Thousands march in Dublin today agaist the war.

I wonder did a single one of them unfurl a banner calling for Hamas to surrender or accept the terms of the peace plan.

It's almost like they are more interested in 'Protesting' Israel than they are in ending the war.

Not a single antisemite amongst them of course. That's a given.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/thousands-take-to-streets-of-dublin-for-gaza-protest-to-two-years-of-genocide/a1598598113.html

incorrect, the israelies attacked first and people engaged in their legitimate right to self defense against pirates breaching international law.
assuming they actually did anything at all which i don't think they actually did.
either way, they were murdered by a genocidal, racist terrorist organisation with an ideology as extreme as isis.
there is always a danger where the IDF are concerned due to the huge levels of radicalisation that they are subjected to.

Did Hamas not agree to the " peace plan"?

Nope. You should read the links. Maybe there was a second march. The one I linked was pro-palestine.

I already asked the question, and checked prior days on that list, which were in line. Have a look for yourself. Do you expect me to fly to Gaza and count the bodies?

Can you address the second part? Virtually all international, independant humanitarian, legal,medical and human rights group are telling you what this is, inside Israel and outside. Virtually all scholars specialising in genocide, inside Israel and outside. You can't keep running away and screaming I'm not listening. You have no excuses not to see this anymore.

Oh look at you asking for others to address things in a post. This is rich considering you cherry pick what parts of posts to reply to all the time, but since i am not like you, i will address your question: I will take the word of genocide scholars and other bodies over pro Israeli organisations whose sole remit is to lie in order to defend Israeli war crimes. With this in mind giving UN watch credence( who are effectively a pro Israel advocacy group) would be akin to giving credence to a sympathetic Nazi organisation who conducted a report to refute the allegations made against the Nazi regime in World War 2.

Notice too how they are quick to point out human rights abuses in some parts of the world, but less keen to point them out in the West Bank and Gaza.

Also they have tried to discredit the reporting of b- tselem. I wonder why that is if they are truly an objective NGO whose sole remit is to highlight human rights abuses wherever they occur.

Furthermore you describing Israel as a liberal western democracy is laughable when you have ministers who repeatedly have called for ethnic cleansing remaining in office.

Tell me in what other liberal democracy with western values would that happen in?

You have a state routinely violating international law. A state that has legalised torture and holds civilians without trial or due process for months on end.

A state where 47 per cent of its citizens think it's ok to slaughter the entire population of an area you have just conquered, but its all fine- nothing to see here - because you had a great time living in Israel.

Is that for me?

I told you what I checked. You are free to check yourself. If it's proven wrong I have absolutely no problem admitting it.

Address this pls.couldnt all be Hamas propoganda. Incapable of addressing it?

Virtually all international, independant humanitarian, legal,medical and human rights group are telling you what this is, inside Israel and outside. Virtually all scholars specialising in genocide, inside Israel and outside. You can't keep running away and screaming I'm not listening. You have no excuses not to see this anymore.

Below is a sample list ( far from exhaustive)

Genocide has been confirmed by the UN, Amnesty, Medicine Sans Frontiers, Actions Aid, Human Rights Watch, B'Tselem, Physician's for Human Rights, Oxfam, Medicine du Monde, Save the Children, Norwegian Refugee Council, International Association of Genocide Scholars (over 500 members), International Federation for Human Rights, and on and on. The IPC, UNICEF, the WHO have declared famine in Gaza. Netenyahu and Gallant are wanted for war crimes.

I put it in bold as you seem to have missed it.

A nice attempt at deflection but it doesn't pass muster. This has nothing to do with UNWatch.

Here is the UN report: https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session60/advance-version/a-hrc-60-crp-3.pdf

Here is where it quotes the dodgy website.

TheCommission notes with alarm a report that finds, as of May 2025, Israeli intelligenceofficials have listed 8,900 militants from Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad inGaza as dead or probably dead. Considering, at this point, 53,000 Palestinians hadbeen killed by Israeli attacks, it means that 83 percent of those killed in Gaza werecivilians.

Very sensational stuff indeed!

However, here is where the dodgy website admits that it does not include all dead militants.

The intelligence sources explained that the total number of militants killed is likely higher than the number recorded in the internal database, since it does not include Hamas or PIJ operatives who were killed but could not be identified by name, Gazans who took part in fighting but were not officially members of Hamas or PIJ.

https://www.972mag.com/israeli-intelligence-database-83-percent-civilians-militants/

It's just bad research, presenting conjucture as facts. They used a doctored subset of data to produce a sensational headline and a UN Agency reported it. They just wanted a headline that the civilian to militant ratio was scewed against civilians.

Expecting the Israeli's to have the names and addressess of every dead Hamas and PIJ militant is just pathetic. It bears no relation to reality, and therefore, the UN report and the bona fides of the people who wrote it are rendered very, very suspect indeed.

I've provided citations and facts. All you have is biased opinion.