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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    statistics are kept of no of people who voted as a % of overall electorate entitled to vote- so “non-votes” are recorded statistically - just as spoilt votes are recorded - neither are clear indicators on the reason why the person didn’t vote or spoilt their vote- but reasonable inferences are made - everything from the weather, an Irish World Cup game to voter apathy towards uninspiring candidates- which will likely be the reason most will agree in in this election



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Why not show the whole speech rather than an out of context portion. The written speech is available in the Oireachtas debates. What was said before is this:

    "The attack on this man and his daughter, and the effect on the policeman and the other people there, was appalling."

    How desperate are her opponents getting? 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭corkie


    There is already predictions that the turnout will be low this time, and hopefully with the amount of people expressing that they intending to spoil (social media/alternative forums), it will result in high count of that for people that do show up.

    So I am engaged in the process and tuning into debates to see the drama unfold.

    Also will be interest in the reporting of stats on count day.

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    She continued on to state, in the context of people in Britain and the EU suggesting that we should spend much more money on arming ourselves against Russia:

    "In Ireland, 104,000 people who have a job are living in poverty while a total of 780,000 people live in poverty, of whom children make up the largest group at 26.5%, or more than one in four. Yet we have this document from four MEPs, two of whom are female, that tells us that Ireland should spend more money. They tell us that the biggest threat is from cyberspace and from those people out there who are different from us. The threat, however, is from poverty, lack of justice, war pushed by the United States of America, the EU and Russia, and climate change. None of these threats is mentioned in the discussion document, just threats from people who do not look like us, do not act like us and do not speak like us. The document says that we need to defend fortress Europe against those people and those barbarians. That is the basis of that document. It does not contain one single analysis of the real threat, which is our failure to show leadership and to stand up and say there is a different way and that it is the way we are going to push, and not play games that are Tadhg an dá thaobh."

    If she criticises the rush to spend on arms by some then she'll find an attentive audience in a VERY pro-neutrality Ireland.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,114 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Because it is irrelevant. She is smart enough to know she has to make certain platitudes, but she can never just leave it at that. She is incapable of condemning the actions of a state like Russia without somehow bringing in how it is at least partly the fault of the West. She could have simply not spoken those words where she attempted to put Russian assassinations "in context" because that context is both nonsense and unnecessary.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Nope. Because an edited clip can signify anything whereas the full speech gives an entirely different picture where she's talking about resisting expensive weaponry purchases. You've not read her speech and only heard two sentences. You also obviously prefer the attempted smear.

    Is this how desperate FF & FG & those further right have become? A great sign. CC's camp will be delighted. 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,503 ✭✭✭almostover


    You do realise the charge was brought via the special criminal court? A court specifically setup to deal with gangland crime and terrorism?

    A 'basic' robbery? One of the firearms in her possesion was previously used in a murder. Or a 'basic' murder as you may refer to it.

    A 'basic' robbery where she was accompanied by 2 other criminals and for which another man previously convicted of being in a dissident republican organisation also was charged.

    She was lucky the Gardaí stopped them in their tracks before they incriminated themselves further.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,114 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    An edited clip can't signify "anything". It can signify part of what a person said, and while they can be misleading, it is simply a statement of fact that CC decided that it was necessary to introduce "context" to the Skripal poisonings (and killing of a vulnerable person) that NATO is bad. NATO had nothing whatsoever to do with it. Why bring it up at all? Because she just can not resist any opportunity to have a go at them.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So I'm wrong then and there was a terrorism conviction. Please state it and give an accredited source.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,521 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You are beginning to sound dictatorial. She has an opinion and has no onus on her as.a TD to temper it so some won’t get upset.
    You are free to disagree and nobody will be asking you to self censor.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,340 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    You're making it difficult for yourself without any help from me.

    A basic robbery ?

    A gang in a stolen vehicle wearing disguises armed with two automatic pistols, ammunition and a stun gun.

    Carrying cable ties and black pillow cases.

    The intention was to invade the home and adjacent gun dealer premises in order to steal more weapons.

    There is no doubt that's what was going down if they hadn't been caught by armed members of AGS.

    You can handwave it all you like but that's the truth and it won't go away.

    Trinity graduate jailed for firearms offences celebrates release | Irish Independent https://share.google/lnD2C6w8ZzCqR5bYE



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,503 ✭✭✭almostover


    While you're out spoiling your vote the rest of us will get on with the responsibility of electing our nation's next president.

    The proportion of spoiled votes will be reported and likely forgotten about in a matter of days. The president will be in office for 7 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,503 ✭✭✭almostover


    For someone so against militarism and armaments she had no qualms hiring someone convicted of a very serious firearms offence.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yep, it's misleading and it makes a fool out of anyone unable to realise there will always be a context that's missing. She was replying to a TD who said in response to the Salisbury attack that we should vastly increase our arms spending. If you watch a ten second clip and assume that is everything then I can help you no further.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,114 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I never said she couldn't say it. I never even came close to saying that. I am saying it is completely unhinged that she is incapable of commenting upon any event without directing at least part of the blame on NATO and the West.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,972 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    If I needed an army of people to explain "what I really meant" after every interaction I would not last long in my job and rightfully so.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    As above please correct me if I've made a mistake regarding Ursula Ní Shionnain being convicted of a gun crime and not a terror offence. If so you'll need to contact every last legal research and accredited media outfit in this country to correct them.

    You and others may wish that she had a terror conviction. Your wish won't some true. Stating that she has such a conviction is defamatory. And actionable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭corkie


    @almostover Quite happy with the fact that others will be selecting out of the chosen 3, that your allowed to vote for.

    I personally can not support any of them. Even with thinking of voting for CC, to hopefully block the other two. But I have chosen to spoil instead of that option.

    If people want to blame someone, for the change to the topic of 'Spoiled Votes', you can blame @Jim2007 for popping in, commenting on my signature and disappearing again. I wonder when he logs in again to see the thread, will he regret doing so?

    Edit:-

    Oh look up something and no what my stance was, didn't come from the sites you mentioned!

    "Sov. Cit. sites" refers to websites or online communities associated with the sovereign citizen movement (often abbreviated as "SovCits"). These sites typically share views that question or reject the authority of established governments, laws, and regulations. Sovereign citizens believe they can declare themselves independent from government jurisdiction and often spread pseudo legal ideas, including ways to supposedly avoid laws and taxes.

    Post edited by corkie on

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,503 ✭✭✭almostover


    Nowhere in my post was a terrorism conviction stated. Everything I've posted is factually correct and information in the public domain.

    Also, I'm not aware of any other 'basic' robbery as you've referred to it being tried in the Special Criminal Court under the offenses against the state act.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What if you make a speech of forty sentences and someone misleadingly focuses on three out of context. Then you can explain yourself. They're terrified of CC. They're gunning for her. The fear is palpable.

    It ain't working. 😁



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,114 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    NATO has literally nothing to do with Russia killing a homeless British person. There was no reason for her to bring it up at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,503 ✭✭✭almostover


    I respect your right to spoil your vote

    Out of interest, who would you like to have seen on the ballot? Who would in your eyes would have been worth voting for?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,521 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nothing unhinged ever about seeking to balance a view.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    @Hotblack Desiato is the one who referred to Ursula Ní Shionnain having a conviction for terrorism and then ran away when challenged on it.

    Several others have sought to similarly scaremonger on this. She had a conviction for possesion of a gun. She was jailed. She was released in 2018. She has had no trouble since.

    It reflects badly on those seeking to peddle falsehoods and make more of it than is there.

    Anyway, time for anightcap and moore productive hobbies. Night night y'all.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Who said it had??

    When you read the Dail deebate of 27/03/2018 then you'll be better placed to reflect and comment on this.

    Sayonara dude.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,114 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Russia kills a vulnerable person and injures a British policeman while trying to assassinate Russian spies on British soil.

    But for balance, it is important to note that NATO is very bad.

    I am struggling to see what introducing this "balance" is supposed to add to the discussion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,972 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    The Russian state poisoned people on foreign soil.

    I think it's very important to hear how a suspected puppet would use their limited speaking time to somehow twist that by blaming the EU and NATO in an attempt to excuse Russia.

    Maybe you can provide the full context?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭corkie


    Mainly wanted a broader choice and no I wouldn't have voted for 'Ave' Maria either.

    Even with not being a fan of FF, I could have seen myself voting for my 'Xitter' mutual Billy Kelleher. Even made a post about him (on alternative) on Aug 27, 2025.

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,340 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    The facts of the case are clearly outlined in many media reports based on evidence given in the Special Criminal Court.

    There is no defamation and no possibility of any legal action to prevent the truth being repeated.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,521 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    because she believes and is not alone, that it’s part of a bigger picture.

    You don’t have to agree here. You want to stick with a consensus view, fine.

    Insisting others do is where you become unhinged.



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