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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,555 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Depends on the size of the loss.

    If she finishes a credible 2nd I think those serious about an alliance will be hugely encouraged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,338 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    I will be voting for the person that mentions the word Palestine the least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,604 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Then you're in for a disappointing few weeks, as all three cndidates are appalled by the genocide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,645 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    no they’re not. They have absolute no option but to say this. Connolly is only one rabbiting on about Palestine and the conflict in Gaza; and trying to slate western countries and the EU. The other two just react and answer off a script regarding the conflict in Gaza



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,555 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Connolly is being ‘asked’ about it.

    She has plenty more to say but media has been flat out trying to catch her out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,645 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    asked about it because she herself rabbits on about it. I have heard several interviews of hers since her presidency announcement where she brings up Palestine and Gaza. Add on her own commentary about not trusting our neighbour, not trusting other EU neighbours, and not trusting America.

    Said it before. If she concentrates more on this country and what we can do and how we can flourish, and leave these ridiculously complicated hateful wars alone, and quits slating our neighbours, she’d probably win



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,555 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Have you forgotten Brexit already? Tarriffs and that fella Trump?

    Of course we shouldn’t trust them.
    Mutual respect but realise they are out for their own interests, naturally.

    The debate was dominated by questions to Connolly on international issues as has been the media coverage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,832 ✭✭✭liamtech


    • There is no 'outrage' beyond performative nonsense in discussions like this and among sections of politically aligned people opposed to CC.

    She has refused to back down on any issues including America/Trans-Atlantic-Partnership, or as you term it 'Western Imperialism'. She maintained the stance on Germany and europe re-arming. She could have walked these topics back slightly, even to appear more moderate. She chose not to, as his her right.

    I am not 'politically alligned in opposition' to CC. And in criticizing her, i have repeatidly pointed out that if she pivotted away from politically contentious topics, she could do well, and it would benefit the entire left.

    I dont consider any of our discussion here 'performative' either; its political engagement. Iv offered to debate you numerous times on the issue of German Re-arming, and 'American/Western Imperialism'. Talking points that I firmly believe she is on the wrong side of, factually - I have yet to be responded to.

    • You've already decided that CC has no appeal beyond her base yet we've seen no substantial polls thus far. Let's wait and see what info they tell us but ultimately October 25th will indicate how she has done.

    I have repeatidly bemoaned to lack of adequate polling data. That said, i am giving my opinion on the campaign, as it progresses. Not just for CC, but for the election as a whole. Given the talking points, and tone, i dont see it going well for CC. Due to a series of Unforced errors on her part.

    • The media are overwhelmingly 'centrist' orientated and no matter what CC does she will be dealt with far more harshly than anyone else...we've see this playback used here and elsewhere...you toe the centrist line or else. Anyone with an ounce of objective political analysis can see what's happening with CC, much of the coverage is so utterly disingenuous.

    I could respond directly to this - but I may as well allow Waterford Whispers to do so. Literally this is exactly what you are saying.

    https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2025/10/02/biased-media-campaign-against-catherine-connolly-using-facts-to-smear-her/

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    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,879 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    I don't know whether many people are looking at the success or failure of Connolly as any sort of indicator towards a possible left alliance in the next GE



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,555 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The Journal used a headline and story based on an as yet unproven ‘fact’ - that Garda intervened to stop her employing somebody and that she appealed it.

    The Village harpooned some of the Irish Times coverage too - slanted to smear her.

    Smell the coffee.



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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 11,079 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Wake up and get back in the real world - she tried to defend it, who much facts to need?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,555 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    They aren’t facts Jim. There is no evidence the Gardai intervened or that she tried to appeal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,832 ✭✭✭liamtech


    I have smelled it @FrancieBrady . Honestly please read back my posts a few nights ago.

    I came to CC's defence on the current scandal when it broke. I attacked the Journals credibility, in publishing what to me, seemed like a story with no legs. I got into numerous back-n-forths with posters who were highlighting red flags which, at that moment, i did not see. Its all there, please do read back.

    But I woke up the next morning, and had to apologise, and remove my head from my ass.

    Not only were the other posters correct in highlighting the story - but the story grew legs and began sprinting along the M6 toward Dublin. Nothing of the story has actually been explained adequately, and I await further clarification. The Lady at the center of it, now appears to be FAR more of an extremist than was apparent to me when the story began to break.

    If you are satisfied that the story is dead, so be it. But i am not convinced and it remains an open case, of terrible judgement; and we need a proper timeline of events. And honestly, CC needs to explain why the hell, someone who took part in a mock execution of a foreign head of state, was the 'best candidate for the role' in Leinster House.

    No offense intended, but thats where i stand on the current story. And it diminishes CCs credibility the longer it goes on, and when taken along with her other unforced foreign policy fumbles.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,152 ✭✭✭corkie


    Thanks @liamtech for your insights and highlights of the situation we are in. Scanning through the last 5 or so pages of this thread and your posts stood out.

    Aras25 | "The people who spoiled their votes on Friday 24th Oct took part in a legitimate political action, as is their right!"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,590 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    she has the capacity to speak of other things if she so chooses - it doesn’t look as though she wants to



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,590 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “Smell the coffee.”

    Is that what they call it these days



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,555 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    What you are still not seeing is any proof of the headline to the story.

    Had they not had that headline was there much of a story at all?

    So question remains, did the Journal fabricate the Garda intervening and the appeal angle?

    If that doesn’t get proved where can the story go really. MM can’t say much more because he is on record praising O’Cuiv’s advice to the Justice minister on prisoners.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,590 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “Of course we shouldn’t trust them. Mutual respect but realise they are out for their own interests, naturally.”

    And Ireland is out for what exactly?

    A lot of trust has been built up between EU countries and wider afield also - this doesn’t mean countries don’t look after their own interests too - of course they do. Your trust statement is just complete rubbish - there is common ground between countries outside of their “interests” - that’s how business is done



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,555 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Yes Oscar, you can do all that but treat with caution. Especially the more hawkish like the US and the selfish/unstable recently British.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,832 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Its now been broadly covered by more outlets - but no, i still have no real timeline of events.

    No real explanation has been offered for how this all took place. I also cannot see an explanation for why CC felt it appropriate to hire someone with an extremist background. She needs comment on the video (doing the rounds) where the lady takes part in a mock execution of the Queen of England. It goes to her decision making, and credibility as a candidate.

    We need clarity on this topic. We need to know how the lady ended up in the building, prior to being vetted. We need to know the nature of the appeals process. Given competing statements, we need someone to offer up a time-line of events, so we can see how the incident was resolved. Its unclear whether the lady, failed the background check, or quit prior to failing. There are too many questions.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/catherine-connolly-taoiseach-radio-6832805-Oct2025/

    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2025/1003/1536717-catherine-connolly/

    https://www.rte.ie/news/presidential-election/2025/1002/1536513-catherine-connolly/

    Its an election campaign. The issue has been raised, as well it should be, and it is a valid story. She needs to come out and address it, credibly. I would say that about ANY presidential candidate. Whether its David Norris and his letter writing in 2011, or Brian Lenihan in 1990 and 'that phone call'. If you run for president, and an issue comes up, you deal with.

    You could reply that the fact it has been covered by multiple outlets, means it has been covered an be closed. But iv read each of those articles and there are numerous non sequiturs.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,555 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I am in a power cut here so can’t quote.

    Broadly speaking it seems as simple as she says.

    She believes in rehabilitation and gave someone a second chance having sought advice from somebody who worked with the woman.

    A situation where you need to have been there to assess. Second guessing it from this remove is not possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,147 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Sure you know what Connolly will say again if asked “she abhors all violence” she will then go on about rehabilitation, everyone deserving a chance, served her time etc.

    That Ni Shionnain was the “gold standard” for the job recommended by O’Cuiv.
    But she won’t focus on the potential security threat, or if she is too trusting of people, demonstrating a certain naivety. And whether this idealistic nature has the potential to compromise her position if elected President.

    It is not really a one off with Connolly she has a pattern of doing the same things Syria been easily duped by the Syrian regime etc. To me there is a clear behaviour pattern in Connolly sees the good in everyone, and anyone could take advantage of that.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,590 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    But you stated we shouldn’t “trust” them - that’s a blanket statement - it’s reserved for the likes of North Korea, South American dictatorships- Russia -not France as you have mentioned



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,832 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Hope your power comes back @FrancieBrady - always a pain when it goes, i have personal experience

    Yea look i have no issue with rehabilitation, or giving second chances. But its an open story for me, and CC needs to close it, for good. Otherwise it will just come up again and again. Its also painfully tied to her Irish Language credentials.

    How and ever, we will just watch this space again.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,555 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    We should not trust them.

    That’s common sense watching the world atm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,590 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I don’t “trust” France in July as simply 1/2 the country will go on strike and flights will likely be cancelled - but other then that, as a country, yes I trust France to do business with and a valued EU trading country for Ireland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,555 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    She can’t, simply because you cannot prove something didn’t happen i.e. the Gardai intervention and her appeal.

    She has said they didn’t happen, its up to the Journal to prove it did

    Put up or shut up, so to speak.
    It is then a matter between you and your vote if you think she was wrong to give someone a second chance. She is standing by that decision as is her adviser O’Cuiv.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,590 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    To illustrate just how important this election is- RTÉ News hasn’t mentioned it in the first 14 minutes of the programme - it will feature somewhere in part 2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,205 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I don't know why you think that that gets her off the hook. O'Cuiv is a maverick in FF and he was misguided in this as well.

    This is seriously putting people off CC .And I say that as someone who was considering her . A very big misstep .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,555 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    He was praised by his leader for his work with prisoners and for the advice on same that he gave to the Minister for Justice.

    No particular fan of his but he is a multi high office holder himself, hardly a maverick.



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