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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,915 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Scumbags targetting workers trying to get home to their families in the evening don’t do much to win support for their cause.

    It was a small group of about 50 that broke away from the larger protests that had been held in city centre earlier.

    Same cohort of idiots who used to try and block the Luas during the water protests. All they do is blacken the reputation of the decent folk who were at the earlier protests.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,913 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    that's every protest, non-issue.

    you will always lose a tiny few along the way, they weren't really with the protesters anyway.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,913 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    no protecting the irish economy, israel is a threat to us all.

    a few trucks missing a ferry will have little effect on our economy, if any.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,027 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Most Israeli jews are not "slavs". The majority are actually mizrahi/sephardi and originated from the middle east and north Africa. Its pretty easy to find this information.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,485 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The Hamas story in Germany sounds suspiciously like some sort of false flag operation or misidentification of terrorists. They are not believed to have any presence in Europe and attacking Israeli or Jewish targets in Germany would make zero sense from the point of view of their military or political strategy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,913 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    not to mention that if hamas were involved/had anything to do with this they would admit to it.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,144 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    The response time by police in Manchester was impressive - seven minutes from the call to shots fired. Are we ready in Dublin like that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,144 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Since the assassination of Tsar Alexander in 1881 for which they were unjustly blamed, Russian Jewish refugees had been fleeing westward to escape persecution. After Balfour largely blocked their immigration to Britain with the Aliens Act of 1905, the newly conquered territory of Palestine offered a potential alternative destination for them which he was quick to propose in 1917 without the consent of the Arab majority there.

    Post edited by Ardillaun on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,661 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Surprised the Manchester attack isn't getting the "false flag" treatment aswell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Best to brainwash them to be genocide lovers at a young age and TikTok is a ready-made market

    A previously unreported 2015 email from Oracle CEO Safra Catz, uncovered by Responsible Statecraft, reveals an explicit commitment to shaping US public opinion in favour of Israel. Writing to former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, Catz stressed the importance of reaching young Americans before they arrive at university, where support for Palestine has grown dramatically.

    “We have all been horrified by the growth of the BDS movement on college campuses and have concluded that we have to fight this battle before the kids even get to college,” Catz wrote mentioning the Boycott Divestment and Sanctions movement. “We believe that we have to embed the love and respect for Israel in the American culture. That means getting the message to the American people in a way they can consume it.”

    The email was obtained via a hack of Barak’s account and has not been denied by Catz, though Oracle sources told Responsible Statecraft that “Safra will be nowhere near the algorithm of TikTok.”



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,044 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Thought people who go to Trinity are supposed to be intelligent, seems like its not true though.

    Blocking up the port and ruining peoples day and then they go back home to mammy and daddy as others have to deal with the chaos.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,196 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    all shouting and roaring pretending they care about a conflict 2500 miles away! Day out looking for social media likes, and causing a public nuisance to ordinary Irish folks trying to go about their business



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,293 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Im against these protests but I bet many complaining thought it was fine when the uneducated moron Heroes of East Wall were blocking the tunnel multiple times, the road to the airport (with kids in tow), and the traffic coming out of town. The same scumbags who don't give a sh*t about the real issues in the area because it's locals dealing heroin and smashing up houses and flying around on stolen motorbikes. Zero issues with the IPAS centre since it opened as far as I know by the way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,562 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    They probably didn't complain or question whether those protesting the Ukraine war cared either. Is this a bit of projection and a defense mechanism to make themselves feel better for not caring at all?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,324 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Very fast, unfortunately they shot and killed one of the victims and another one is in hospital with gunshot wounds. The attacker had no gun.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭Randycove


    Confirmed by the police now as well. That’s tragic.
    when faced by an armed person with a suspected bomb strapped to them, the Police have a split second to react and it looks like a couple of bullets penetrated the door and shot two people behind it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    I don't think tragic is the correct word if the attacker was not armed. Careless comes to mind.

    An armed person … the earlier post and the police said that the attacker was not armed.

    The bullets shot two people?

    As we've just reported, Greater Manchester Police Chief Constable Sir Stephen Watson has just issued an update on yesterday's attack - here's what he says:

    • One of the two people killed appeared to have "suffered a wound consistent with a gunshot injury" - Watson doesn't say whether this was the cause of death
    • Another of the three victims currently in hospital also "suffered a gunshot wound", but this is "not life-threatening"
    • Both victims of the gunshot wounds were believed to have been "close together behind the synagogue door"
    • The suspect, Jihad Al-Shamie, "was not in possession of a firearm" and only GMP's firearms officers fired shots as they tried to prevent the attacker from entering the synagogue
    • As a result, the two victims' gunshot injuries "may sadly have been sustained as a tragic and unforeseen consequence of the urgently required action taken by my officers", Watson writes

    It seems to have been one person armed with a knife who attacked Jewish people?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,485 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Zack Polanski of the Green Party has been brilliantly calling out the pro-genocide creeps in British politics and the media in the wake of the Manchester attack.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭Randycove


    if running around stabbing people while wearing a suicide best is unarmed, what is your definition of armed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    If you read the reports, not armed is being used to mean was not in possession of a firearm.

    Was it a suicide vest that he was wearing?

    The attacker seems to have just lost it and drove at people near the Synagogue. The Synagogue doors appear to have been closed by worshippers so it is not clear to me why the police opened fire without a better assessment of the situation. Who authorised the police to shoot or did they require authorisation from a more senior officer?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,006 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    "if the attacker was not armed … It seems to have been one person armed with a knife who attacked Jewish people?"

    If he was armed with a knife, he wasn't unarmed, was he? Unless you think knives can't be used to kill people? Because the families of the 262 stabbing deaths in the UK alone last year might beg to differ.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,004 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Id guess the armed officers have clearance BEFORE they are deployed to use lethal force if they think its needed.

    Couldn't send them out in the field to a possible terror attack and expect them to have to radio it in to get the ok to shoot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Do you think it was good judgment for the police to fire their guns in the situation that they encountered?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Was there a more senior officer at the location with them?

    There are multiple knife attacks every day in England and Ireland. There was also the knife attack on Parnell Square East over a year ago. Should the Gardai have fired shots?

    Does the Synagogue location mean all options are open?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭Randycove


    the Police officers at the scene clearly believed he was wearing a bomb, that can be seen from clips. Police are authorized to fire if they believe there is a risk to life and someone detonating a bomb clearly is.

    A gun that can effectively kill a kilometer away isn’t going to have any trouble passing through a human body and/or a door. It could be a simple case of the bullet missed its intended target (a head that is moving frantically isn’t a particularly big thing to aim at), pierced the door and shot two people the other side.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭Randycove


    ”excuse me Mr Jihadi, would you mind awfully waiting a sec before pulling that cord, I need to ask my boss if I can shoot you in the head”?

    Not sure that’s going to work to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Was it the same bullet that hit both persons behind the door? I don't know the exact details of what happened, hopefully an enquiry will review what happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭Randycove


    it may have been. I would imagine the police fired at least four times, twice each so it is possible three bullets missed. The guy went down but tried to get up and was shot again, so it is unlikely all four hit him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭wildgreen




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,027 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    The guy had rammed people with his car, appeared to have an explosive device attached to his body and had clearly demonstrated his intent to gain access to the synagogue to harm more people. Of course the police were correct to shoot him. Can't believe people are even trying to suggest otherwise. Next will there be marches for the poor murdered terrorist?



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