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Northern Ireland 2125?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    Can you answer this question. If a private company was going to pay for public dual signs would you still have a problem with dual signs? You see it is not about money.

    Its the sad fleg bastards with a colonial mindset that can't hack seeing irish on a sign as goes against thier idea that they have conquered.

    Why in Scotland and Wales do they not have a problem regarding dual signs? The answer is because they dont have a cohert of sad fleg bastards with a colonial mindset.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,174 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Ben Lowry was asked this morning on Nolan, repeatedly, 'what harm are they doing'. Could not answer and deflected every time to the familiar 'themuns getting everything' whinge.

    When you are used to supremacy, equality feels like oppression.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,706 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Private companies would not pay for dual language signs as it would cost a lot of money and for aesthetic reasons. Ask Michael O'Leary would he pay for Aer Ryan on his planes alongside Ryanair?

    If he was forced to (say in a U.I.) and objected, no doubt you would call him another " fleg bastard with a colonial mindset ". Your words, not mine.

     



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    I said if. So answer the question again. You see its not about money. If the tax payer was not put out the sad colonial bastards will turn to other excuses like the Ra own the language and that is now the larests excuse.

    Why dont you just put the hand up and admit you're a sad bastard with a colonial mindset and that is why you cant handle seeing irish on public street signs. You would get more respect for owning up to that fact instead of throwing every other excuse but the real reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,706 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    I think the sad bastards with MOPE mindsets are those who want to use other peoples money to mark out territory, seeing as the Irish language was hijacked by violent Republicanism in N.I., same as the flag was there.

    "Every word of Irish is a bullet for Irish Freedom" Kneecap

    Why not ask boards.ie to go bi-lingual? You see, there is no demand for it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,174 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The 'other people's money' is the saddest argument of all.

    So will these Unionists be happy if the several hundred thosand given to Orange culture events is given to the health service or is diverted elsewhere?

    Can you imagine the conniptions if that happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,706 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    whataboutery.

    Do you call for boards.ie to go bi-lingual? No, why do you think that is?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,174 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Why would I?
    Irish is the first official language here and is treated with respect as are those who use it. It's importance as a cultural resource and enhancer is fully recognised.

    Nobody goes into the trauma wards for Britishness boosters because they catch a glimpse of it on a sign.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,706 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Its not the first official language in N.I. But even if it was, why not call for Ryanair or Supermacs or Boards.ie to go bi-lingual? They would if they thought even 10% of people want them to spend money doing so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,174 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    That isn't in the remit of politicians.
    Their job is to implement the democratically agreed Identity and Language (Northern Ireland) Act 2022

    Bi-lingual signage is a part of that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,174 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    More grist to the mill:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    As I thought, a bit more nuanced than 70% support lobbing flags up on lampposts, Downcow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    English comes from.... drum roll... England, not Ireland. NI is a jurisdiction in Ireland where the only language that is indigenous to its area is Irish and most place names and many peoples names derive from the language. So yes anyone looking at it objectively would say it is very culturally significant to NI. The same goes with in Welsh in Wales hence why they have dual signage.

    Any non state company can do what they like regarding what language they communicate in. We have aready starting to see the biggest supermarket snd restaurant chain in ireland starting to spend money on irish which blows up your assertion that no non state company spend money on irish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    where does it stand now. Jamie is correct, we have been far too accommodating while Gerry has continued with the Trojan horse. You can’t disagree with much of this

    https://www.facebook.com/share/v/172xza4k4b/?mibextid=UalRPS



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    How am I sectarianing him by saying he is a catholic?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    so could you help me and give me a nationalist perspective on the results (or rather the only results alliance will share with us)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    I wasn't talking about a Nationalist perspective, Downcow. I was talking about the contents of the report you linked, which shows a significantly more nuanced position than, '70% of people favour flegs, flegs and more flegs'. Did you actually read it or just gleefully post it because someone like Bryson stuck up a tweet saying it said 70% of people wanted to shag a flag?

    I can't speak for an entire community on the matter; I don't think flying flags is something unique to your community. Speaking for myself, I think it is largely crass territorialism akin to dogs pissing on lampposts and I think the absolute state of a lot of the flags flying shows incredible disrespect to them.

    I wouldn't actually be opposed to flags being hung along parade routes for the 12th and then respectfully removed afterwards, I've no issue with the Union flag flying on designated days on City Hall per standard UK practice, and I wouldn't have an issue with a well kept flag flying at a WWI or WWII memorial. That isn't an exhaustive list, just off the top of my head.

    I do have an issue with UVF flags being flown with the WWI facade that even the most hardline Loyalist doesn't actually believe, with them being hung in the middle of the night by hoods, paramilitaries and the likes without permission. I've a problem with them being used to intimidate rather than celebrate or commemorate, and a huge problem with them flying in tatters and making places look like an absolute kip. Apart from the UVF flag, I apply those opinions equally to both sides and would share the same opinion of any flags flying in support of Republican paramilitaries. It's not patriotic, it's tacky.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    Because you are implying as he says he is northern Irish that he therefore thinks he is not Irish when in reality he also plays under the tricolor and goes by irish too. You may believe they're mutually exclusive and two different sects but Rory doesn't go by this school of thought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    I was hoping for a perspective on the consultation. I am wondering what you think it says?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    The consultation seems largely aligned with my own perspective; favourable views towards respectful, dignified flying of flags as and when it is appropriate, not 70% flag shagging stick them up to mark your territory and let them rot as is typical of the North.

    Maybe you should actually read the report you linked? It's neither a Nationalist nor Unionist perspective, just reading what you linked.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    Just because a unionist plays a sport governed by an all island body and therefore represents the entire island, it does not make them Irish. You need to read the gfa.
    likewise if an Irish person from ni represents a British team, it doesn’t make them Irish.
    you take a very narrow minded bigoted position to suggest Rory is Irish and James McLean is British. Don’t think they would necessarily follow your logic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    Rory says he is both irish and northern irish. You're the one claiming from your post today that because he says he is northern irish that therfore implies he does not think he is irish, correct? That is your mutually exclusive/secatarian view of the identies not rory's. In reality Rory's and most believe one to be a subset and says he is both

    Considering there is one NATIONAL patron saint for the irish this mutually exclusive view makes zero sense to most people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    I’m not sure whether you are being naive or disingenuous.
    the alliance minister created a consultation with the purpose of (like francie) policing and preventing the flying of flags as celebration in unionist communities. It seriously backfired for her. The questions were loaded to force the answers she wanted, and it didn’t work.
    she won’t release the results, only their interpretation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    I don’t know any town where the flag displays stay up all year around.
    common practice in unionist areas is that all flags come down after the last Saturday in August. A single flag will often stay up at each entry point into towns, villages or estates. These flags are renewed each year and not in tatters.
    the only flags I see going into tatters are the proliferation of Palestinian flags and I can’t imagine anyone will ever be organised to take them down, as well as the random tricolours in tatters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    Whatever nonsense you say, the NI flag has been his go to flag his entire life. He is a great example of cultural catholics who are owning OWC. I would guess he would also class himself as Irish if asked, and he has also said he is British, that the diversity and broad church that is Northern Irish.

    …..and he seemed to find one again lol. Here we have an Englishman, Irishman and Northern Irishman all celebrating with their beloved flags - no one is forcing that around his neck!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    this young councillor calls out the hypocrisy at this weeks Irish language imposition debate:

    https://www.facebook.com/share/v/166wBFbNDW/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,174 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    Considering he's said I'm being naive or disingenuous for saying it is a lot more nuanced than 70%, I'm pretty certain Downcow didn't read the report. I wonder does Jamie Bryson have a recent tweet that mentions the 70%? It'd explain an awful lot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    Try reading the full report, Downcow. Not just what you saw on social media.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,174 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Rather you than me going looking for that.
    I tried to read his thesis on getting Loyalists to stop being paramilitaries, hard work. Parody legalise and spelling mistakes.



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