Wicklow Rail Capacity Enhancement

only 2 of the biggest factors but not all the factors.
as i said previously, there is not going to be an hourly shuttle, it's just not going to happen and even if it did the unreliability would be a joke as would the amount of empty running.
it's not just the existing usage that needs to be factored in, it's increased usage and getting people out of their cars, which is not really going to happen if the option is to get on a train at wexford or wherever and then wait 15 minutes for a dart because the train got delayed somewhere.
a more frequent direct service is the only way you are keeping and growing usage numbers, that is just the reality.

oh i absolutely understand why it is being proposed, whereas you believe the nonsense out of irish rail i know from experience is just that.
no i'm using the future services, actual realities on the ground and everything else as a reason to keep and increase the direct services, and to actually deliver a reliable dart service.
services are increasing yes, but that, unlike last time services increased, still allows for rosslare services through.
increased dart services over all don't remove the not so long gaps that allow rosslare trains through as it's not 3 darts that allow it through in reality, but the extra necessary slack in capacity that is needed regardless to allow for reliability, empty running if there is an issue and unplanned maintenence.
the choice was to continue to run a reliable dart service and continue to have reasonably used services from rosslare, or throw rosslare passengers under the bus and suppress demand to then try deliver a dart service that will run on a knife edge all of the time with everyone waiting for the lot to go bang.
b won out because it means not actually improving services to wexford for which there is no interest, no investment in any infrastructure what soever, it suppresses demand south of wicklow while not really increasing numbers north of greystones in reality.
it does not allow for more trains to run between rosslare and wicklow because that can already be done direct and can always be done direct to dublin, and you still need to clear trains all the way to perse for the large scale empty running that will be required so that servicing at connolly and heavy maintenence at portlaoise can be carried out.
it's a change for change sake that doesn't in reality make better use of limited infrastructure all the way into dublin and does not give more services from rosslare as that can be done and could be done.
that's not an opinion, that is fact.
after the change, rosslare line capacity will remain the exact same, just delivered differently.
my opposition boils down to seeing and understanding the reality, and understanding that on this line a change for change sake is not going to keep the existing numbers which are growing, never mind continue to grow numbers, it is a nonsensical change that is being implemented to do nothing and get out of addressing any of the issues.
you have to claim it's about a dislike of change, inconvenience to me and personal preference because you know there is no argument for this change for change sake so have to make it about me.

What’s your source for that?

That’s not debunking anything. I gave you a quote there where the question was implied.

There’s different perspectives, get over it. Your posts are basically “I don’t trust Irish Rail”. It’s bad faith arguing.

Actually it is workable to provide a direct service. The N11 is getting a bus lane. Bus Eireann lose money right now on those routes because Irish Rail undercut them. Bus services work perfectly well for many parts of the country.

The existence of this service on the coastal line does impede service. DART can be improved substantially if it returned to what its purpose actually was for.

my source is report after report after report with very little delivery and little to show for them.

the likely reality that as much as i support it being done, they won't reopen the south wexford line either.

i'm afraid showing that the article not being a reliable metric of anything (it's not supposed to be you do know that don't you) is debunking something, your argument and that article.
exactly, it's a serious discussion forum, hence your desperation tactics of trying to bate posters (it doesn't work on me) has no place here.

more darts is only more capacity when operated on a service that can be delivered reliably, as in one that has proper infrastructural investment to support it.

my opinion is more the truth based on direct experiences and actual realitiees on the ground based on the realities from services where there were previously change of trains on the line.
i debunked the article, and i can take my valid factual and non-immotive arguments to politicians and wherever i feel they should be heard as i will do.
more darts is more capacity when operated reliably on infrastructure that can support it.
when not it's not ultimately more capacity.

you sound like a deranged priest preaching at the alter of stagnation, in an empty church.

Their opinions are also based on their experience. You are simply discounting them and swearing at them because you disagree.

The word is “emotive”, not “immotive”. You saying you don’t trust Irish Rail is not debunking capacity improvements. It’s a valid concern but it “debunks” nothing.

But that’s the point, you oppose it because it doesn’t suit you. We have no idea what non-commuter demand could be stimulated by the proposal which, together with the improved Dart service, might suit the populace overall.

i think we have a fair idea, and it's not likely to be very much when they could just take the car as that option then makes huge sense over going by rail.

the reason i oppose it is that it is sub par, which is typical when it comes to almost everything in relation to wexford and south wicklow, cobble together and do as little as possible.

Can’t you see both sides? Could it not be asserted that the Dart passengers are thrown under the bus for 40 years to accommodate the Rosslare/Gorey trains?